First one I have been able to build that might work. Will find out tomorrow and let you know. 6/0 VMC Barbarian Hook, 1/16 inch thick Makrolon lip, powder painted using Cadman's tap the brush method, and an aluminum horse mane comb. (Thanks Cadman, I have used this method a lot.) Clear coated with D2T. Hydro Silk Skirt, Don't think they are made anymore.