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Weedless Jig Molds
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Posted 11 January 2008 - 03:59 AM
I want to buy a Do-It mold to make weedless jigs, but I donít see enough information on the Do-it website to make a decision. I will use the jig to fish in 5 to 10 feet of water in timber and tree tops; heavy cover. I want to be able to throw it into tree tops and pull it out with minimal hang-ups. I would be pitching or flipping the jig. The weedless molds that I have looked at are Arky Style Jig ARK-3-AFC, Weedless Sparkie Jig JKS-1090Y, and the Weedless Style S Bass Jig JKS-3-AY. They all take a 60 degree bend hook and they donít look that different. There must be some advantages and dis-advantages or they would not have different molds. The one thing that stands out about the arky flat eye is that the hook eye is turned 90 degrees, but they donít say what difference that makes with the action of the jig. Can someone tell me the different in these jig molds; how the design changes, change the action of the jig? Or is there another mold I should be looking at?
Posted 11 January 2008 - 07:14 AM
I like the Arkie with the turned eye ARK-3-AFC. The hook that the do-it sight recommends is the wrong hook for that mold. They recommend a Mustad 32786 BLN which is NOT a turned eye. That mold needs a Mustad 32798 BLN. I informed Do-it of this but they havent changed it.
Posted 11 January 2008 - 07:26 AM
I have fish and have built jigs for near 30 years now and the best by far for heavy cover is the bullet head jig. I do modify Do-it molds to take a flat eye it seems the flat eye will come OVER debri alot better, as far as hook setting and flat eye has a more positive hookset then a reg eye. I use all Gama hooks so can't point you to a good Mustad, I use the Gama 48414 which is an awesome hook nice wide gap and a strong hook, just my 2 cents worth.
Posted 11 January 2008 - 06:13 PM
Where do you get the Gama 48414? I can't find it. Or is it I don't know to break this number up?
Posted 11 January 2008 - 07:21 PM
I like to flip the Arky Flateye jig with the Mustad 38109 hook or the Round Flateye with the Mustad 32798.
The flat hook eye is inline with the leading edge of the jig head which allows it to slide over obsticles very nicely. The 60 deg flateye also transfers more power to the point. Now I'm gonna get reamed big time for this but, The Mustad Ultra Point hook is a much better hook than Gamakatsu. There I said it out loud. First, the point is cone shaped which gives it even support around the entire diameter allowing it to remain sharper longer. The Gammy needle points bend over leaving you with a blunt edge the first time they hit anything hard (like the top jaw of a bass, which is normally where the upturned point of a jighook hits first). Second, the barb, which actually 'catches' the fish is closer to the point and deeper than any hook on the market (go ahead, go look). The next hook as far as the barb being close to the point is Daiichi and they have a pretty deep barb. VMC hooks have a deep barb but they are probably the farthest from the point than any other. Yes, Gamakatsu hooks are sharp as hell out of the package, but they dull fast and have a tiny shallow barb. So I'll take the public thrashing, but I'll also continue to get almost three times the hooks for the money and have better hook-ups too.
Posted 12 January 2008 - 08:54 PM
I'm also new at this and shopping for weedless jig molds, but I think I'm going to go with the football jigs. I'll probably get the Do-it mold, but I wish they had one with a recessed eye on it. BPS sells a jig with a recessed hook eye, and it really helps it keep from getting hung up. Anybody know of a mold like that?
Posted 13 January 2008 - 12:19 AM
This is what Do-it emailed me:
You are absolutely right. The three jig models that you have mentioned
are very similar with only slight differences. Their wide design helps
to keep them from rolling or turning on their side.
Weedless Sparkie Jig: This is probably the widest of the three. You will
notice that the hook eye on this jig comes out much more toward the
front than the others. This forward balance lends it self to dragging
the jig on the bottom or swimming the jig through the water. Some people
prefer y-guards over fiber guards. This mold will accept either.
Style "S" Bass Jig: This jig is slightly narrower and the hook eye comes
out a bit higher on the jig. The balance on this jig allows the back of
the hook to rise up, off the bottom when the jig is "rocked" similar to
a Football Jig. It also accepts either fiber guards or y-guards. The
Eagle Claw style 730 hook for which it is designed is one of Eagle Claws
strongest tempered hooks and sports a slightly larger throat than the
O'Shaughnessy style 410 for which the Sparkie Jig is designed.
The Arkie Style Jig: This Jig is very similar to the Style "S" with some
small improvements. It is slightly wider, and tends to fall more slowly
and horizontally because of this. The double holder collar tends to hold
skirts and plastics or buck tails a little better than the old fashioned
ball collar of the others. The Mustad Premium Black Nickel hook is one
of the strongest on the market. The turned eye on the hook helps with
hook ups and lends a bit more power to hook sets.
All three of these jigs are very good when fished in cover. Which jig to
use is purely a matter of personal preference. At this point we consider
the #3387 Arkie Jig mold to be the best all around weedless jig of the
three. We hope this helps.
Posted 13 January 2008 - 01:17 PM
Thanks for sharing that email. I'm still going to get a football jig mold, but I've also been looking into tying my own float and fly jigs, and those "S" style seem to me to be the best fit for that.
So now, which type of weedguard do you like?
Posted 14 January 2008 - 08:28 PM
I've used the Y type guards but they tend to be a little stiffer than I like but work fine... I still prefer the fiber guards...I just like to spread the fibers out which still gives plenty of protection coming through stuff but not to stiff on hookset..
They're cheap so I would suggest you try both to see which you prefer better..
Posted 14 January 2008 - 08:40 PM
practice will help with getting em out. I always had luck with dropping the jig back down and then jiggling when I feel resistance. My fishing buddy can ruin lures fast as lightening, he feels resistance and has no idea whether its a fish or not and he pulls harder until he hangs and then bends lures. I was always told jerks are free:lolhuh:, until I thought I felt a fish and set the hook into the bottom of a log 10' down, live and learn. Id probably get both a flat eye and football. You can always sell the one you dont like.
Posted 15 January 2008 - 01:25 AM
It looks like I will get the Arky flat eye, Football flat eye and Poision Tail. I plan on turning the Poison Tail into a flat eye. It will be awhile until I get to it. Too many things going on.
Posted 15 January 2008 - 11:23 AM
Although the poison tail looks good that is the one style of hook I heard a jig fisherman say that he stays away from. If you read enough you will hear about people bending hooks out for better hookups, the poison tail has a hook pointed far inward. Im sure they work but not need with 2 other jigs. I worked with a die hard jig fisherman, really good, supposedly won about 11 or 12 club tournaments in a row, I only saw him throw footballs. have fun.