grund-l Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 Anyone have a procedure for this? Any help would be great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayburnGuy Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 To properly heat treat metal you need a specific set of parameters for the particular type of metal your using. You also need a properly controlled environment (a furnace) with a specific set of temperatures for the metal to be heated to for a given amount of time. Depending on the type of metal you will also need a way to quench it after being heat treated. This can cause the metal to become hard and brittle which then calls for another round of heat treating. Again at specific temps for a given amount of time. Heat treating, done properly, is much more than just heating up a piece of metal and sticking it into an oil or water bath to harden it. The question I have is why would you want to go to all the trouble of trying to heat treat wire when you can buy it already tempered? Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadman Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 Totally agree with rayburnguy. You have to follow certain standards to achive what you want. Also you have to do this on a consistent basis so the outcome is the same all of the time. This is not for the do-it-yourselfer in my opinion. You have to have controlled heat. Also there is water quenching and oil quenching, among other things to consider. I too would like to know why you would take on something like this? Just curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grund-l Posted September 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 Thanks guys....didn't really think it was going to be that complicated of a process. The spinnerbaits I make have a very unique shape to their wires and I really like the thinner wires and was looking for ways that they would not get mangled so easily by fish and would go back to its original shape when bent around......I am also considering looking at TI wire.....just doing some research at this point Thanks again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smalljaw Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 The thin wire you are using is tempered already, unfortunately it isn't durable which is why you want it harder. Now if it was possible to make it harder then you would defeat the purpose because it would no longer vibrate like you want it too. Remember, it is the flexibility of the wire that makes it vibrate, not the diameter, if a .029 wire was as strong as .035 wire then you would get the vibration that the .035 wire would put out since the thinner wire would have the same resistance. Titanium is undoable for the home tackle maker. The first reason is you need a blast furnace that can heat the titanium up to 2500 degrees for 20 minutes or so and then quenched, because titanium is very brittle but if you bought it all ready tempered, you would be unable to bend it due to the snap back properties of titanium. The Terminators are made by bending the titanium shafts to the desired shapes and then they are tempered, in fact they have a reputation for the blades and swivels flying off because sometimes they don't get the swivel loop bent completely closed and when it is like that you can't close it because it snaps back to how it was bent. What you have to do is find the blade combiation that works with the wire to make a bait with good vibration but somewhat durable. You'll see even mass produced spinnerbaits with small diameter wire have durability issues as there isn't anyway around it unless you want to invest close to a million dollars to build a facility to process titanium wire shafts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grund-l Posted September 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 Thanks smalljaw.....very informative......anyone want to spot me some money to build a facility? In all seriousness, thanks for the help everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smalljaw Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 Thanks smalljaw.....very informative......anyone want to spot me some money to build a facility? In all seriousness, thanks for the help everyone. No problem grund-l , We know these things as we all looked for solutions to the same problem and we have all looked into titanium wire. You can buy it, but it is very expensive and very hard to find but even getting that far will eventually end in the main problem, tempering it. As I said, just about every member of this board has looked into it at one time or another, the solution I found was a compromise, I use .035 wire for a 1/2oz spinnerbait, if I want a lot of vabration and flash I can use deep cup willows in the same size I would normally use, what I get is a blade that has the vibration of a bait made .029 or .032 wire with much better durability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayburnGuy Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 The vibration and sizes of wire that Smalljaw talks about is why Lonnie Stanley came out with the Vibrashaft spinnerbait. He uses a tapered wire to overcome the problems you spoke of with your baits. The main frame of the bait is heavy enough to hold up to repeated fish and the arm the blades spin on tapers to a smaller diameter to allow the greater vibration associated with smaller wire. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 Will closing the R bend with loops of braid and super glue, to keep it from opening when a fish is on, help the wire last longer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
