stretcher66 Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 I saw shimanos waxwing and butterfly jigs online and noticed they are a thru-wire design. But not twisted behind the loop on the ends. Would anyone know how they are joining the open ends or if they are just bending them before they pour the jig? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNC Molds N Stuff Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 They could be thru-wire or eyelet. Here is a thread showing how one guy makes his own cheap butterfly jigs in Bondo molds with a thru-wire. http://yumabassman.com/forums-new/index.php?topic=3194.msg16765#msg16765 I recently made an aluminum mold for a butterfly jig that could be used with thru wire or eyelets. http://www.barlowstackle.com/Stainless-Steel-Wire-Eyes--P1195.aspx You can't tell the difference when the bait is finished which one was which, but unless you have your lead alloy just right for strength I think the thru wire is going to reinforce the bait and be a much stronger choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stretcher66 Posted March 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 the way the guy has the thru wire on the bondo mold seems like it defeats the purpose of thru wire. I will have to figure a way to connect the two loose ends incase the actual jig was to break apart so that i wouldn't loose the fish. Thank you for the links to that it is very helpful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNC Molds N Stuff Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 Its going to take a lot to straighten out .080 spring wire, and even a single strand through the length of the bait is going to help keep it from breaking up. Like a piece of rebar though a piece of concrete, doubling them up and wiring them together can't hurt, but its also easy to over engineer a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasilofchrisn Posted March 9, 2013 Report Share Posted March 9, 2013 (edited) I have a 25oz butterfly type mold (Thanks Bob) that I just used to make a few jigs. I use the #3 long eye in mine and I am not worried about pulling out. The eyes are flared on the end so they should hold well. I think alot depends on how thick your jig is. In a Do-It fluttter jig the jig has a thru wire that isn't twisted closed and they hold up real well. But they need the thru wire as the jig is thin. Mine is a bit thicker. Also I used wheel weight lead for mine. I will be trying them on Halibut this summer. I hope to land a 100+ pounder (or maybe 200)on one of mine. Edited March 9, 2013 by Kasilofchrisn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasilofchrisn Posted March 10, 2013 Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 I realized I forgot to post a pic of my butterfly style jig. I use a #3 long stainless eye. They are 1.3" long. The stainless #3L eye on top comes down to about the center of the 3D eye on the jig. I havent tested these yet But I don't forsee any problems with them pulling out at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stretcher66 Posted March 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 those look sweet, i am jealous of the halibut you get to chase. i was in alaska salmon fishing some years back there on the kenai peninsula and almost didn't get on my plane home i wanted to stay so bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNC Molds N Stuff Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 Neat looking bait, but not at all how I expected they would be rigged up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stretcher66 Posted March 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 yes the ones i have seen have a splitring with a solid ring connected to it and the assist hooks tied to the solid ring. not sure if that would make a difference on hook ups or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNC Molds N Stuff Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 You know a buddy of mine up in Washington was telling me they fish for halibut with a piece of steel pipe filled with ballast and capped with an eyebolt through the cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasilofchrisn Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 Pipe jigs are used a lot for halibut. We were just discussing making pipe jigs on an alaska fishing forum. A poormans jig that can be made to any desireable size relatively cheaply.Scrap copper used to be easy to acquire but not so much anymore with the price of metal at the scrap yard. A lot of butterfly style jigs are rigged with the solid ring and split ring for the assist hooks. You need the solid ring because split rings have a small possibility of cutting the assist line. Assist hooks run from the top eye which is also where you attach your line is good for several reasons. One is less lures snagged on the bottom and lost. Also many fish like to attack bait fom the head and some like to eat them head first. Fish can't swim backwards so a struggling baitfish in their mouth only swims farther into their mouths. So more hookups on those fish with hooks from the head of your bait. Also the assist line, instead of a straight split ring and hook, eliminates a lot of leverage a fish would use to pull a hook out. The line twists instead of the whole jig twisting. Either way I do like butterfly jigs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNC Molds N Stuff Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 (edited) Fish can't swim backwards... very fast. I have watched a bass come up, get a good look at my bait, and then back up a little bit before turning and darting away more times than I care to admit. LOL. (Not so often now that I know about provoking reaction strikes.) Edited March 11, 2013 by Bob La Londe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
