ChrisStratton Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 (edited) Hi, I am trying to figure out if the M-F SUPER SOFT PLASTIC is odorless or not after it has been heated. Edited December 7, 2013 by ChrisStratton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsworms Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 Everyone has a different sniffer, but I always thought MF had a kinda sweet smell while heating, but completely odorless when finished. Just my Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisStratton Posted December 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 (edited) Thank You, Trying To Find Something That Does Not Burn My Sons Throat. I Finding out Plastisol produces a dangerous fume. Edited December 8, 2013 by ChrisStratton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slammingjack Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 Most people on here will agree with me on this. Plastisol is NOT user friendly. You and your son should be using a respirator and your work area should be very well ventilated. It can and will cause heath issues over time. It's a great hobby/ addiction. If your going to do it, do it right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisStratton Posted December 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 Ok, so is the MF Super Soft Plastic says its Non-Toxic, is that before or after the chemical reaction happens when heating? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 I have used the Mf before and the guys that came over to help me said it was really bothering there eyes and noses. Not using it but just in the same room (garage). Even with the door open. Changed brands and they don't complain now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff@mf Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 (edited) What guys may talking about for M-F if you over heat it to quickly it may bother you, on the other hand the other brands do the same. You will need some experience yourself what you call eye and nose problems using exhaust fans correctly and not just an open garage with help with every brand. Just cranking up the heat and say its burning my eyes will go with every brand. Recently we have tried the top 5 brands on this forum and all will run you away a one point. There was a couple 2-3 years ago when there was a contamination and lost some customers like ghost and so on. But you will see everyone on TU will have different onions like trying to make your wife happy all the time, impossible. Just like the bubble issue, yellowing issue and so on, to each their own. If you take one brand and have to de-air 1 gallon at a time you will be there a while, if you have to shake or stir one brand for a 1/2 hour each pour then more problems. So the best thing to do is test what's in front of you. Send me your address through M-F web site I will send you what you want to test for free then you personally will know yourself. Then try other brands either free sample or prepaid samples. Attn : Jeff and the topic on this post Just my 2 cents jeff@mf Edited December 8, 2013 by jeff@mf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 Jeff, Is that because when you heat a plastic too quickly, it heats unevenly, and some parts actually burn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff@mf Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 (edited) Yes for me if you hit a hot spot or incorrect pouring pots most of the time you can see where the over heating time is. For reasons I don't want to get into but us manufactures have to deal with what's delivered to us ands either accept it or refuse it if it don't pass inspection. If you receive finished raw material goods you can't do much with it but pour it hope for the best at that point, if for moisture and so on. Right now M-F is pouring at 137 but after this ice on the ground with 20 degree + or - a few things change again Any brand assuming there is PVC in it all will burn at one point. If you ever ran pvc pipe for electrical in ditches and used heat bands on 3/4 up to 4" and turns yellow to black you will get the same toxic smell because the pvc can only take so much heat. jeff@mf Edited December 8, 2013 by jeff@mf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff@mf Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 I pour at one point everyday now and see how test plastics, colors, glitter and mixing chemicals. It seems the mic is pretty hard on most brands but I have my go to mic and a no to go to mic that yellow and only use it making other misc projects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baitjunkys Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 There is not a brand out there that wont burn. or damage your respiratory system. I don't understand why people spend 50.00 a gallon to do the same job, I guess its like smoking cheap cigarettes vs name brand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallmouthaholic Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 There is not a brand out there that wont burn. or damage your respiratory system. Absolutely correct! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisStratton Posted December 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 thanks for all the input been very helpfull 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff@mf Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 By putting a cig in your mouth any brand you don't have to do anything but open the pack, I do not smoke. And paying a bit more you get what you pay for by not having to de-air or stir every single bucket to get started. And there's this thing called overhead including, taxes, electric, storage so on that's why some folks will pay 40-50 buck a gallon. In 55 gallons its around 20 bucks or so. So cig are bad all around including those electric smokes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baitjunkys Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 By putting a cig in your mouth any brand you don't have to do anything but open the pack, I do not smoke. And paying a bit more you get what you pay for by not having to de-air or stir every single bucket to get started. And there's this thing called overhead including, taxes, electric, storage so on that's why some folks will pay 40-50 buck a gallon. In 55 gallons its around 20 bucks or so. So cig are bad all around including those electric smokes Some guys roll there own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baitjunkys Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 Jeff I will agree you guys have some good plastic, what happened to your colorant? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ipt Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 mf has good plastic, i think they are all going to smell. get samples from everyone who is willing to earn your business, and pick the one that you like best 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Some guys roll there own. Smoke of any kind is bad for your lungs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallmouthaholic Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Plastisol used through a heat exchanger for professional injection machines performs much differently vs. plastic heated continuosly in a Presto Pot w/ stirror for hand pour and/or hand injection.That said, I order my plastisol purchases bases upon the following criteria. 1- Plastisol that does not hard pack- I've got better things to do then waste my time trying to mix plastisol that hard packs like concrete on the bottom 2- Plastisol that smokes excessively 3-Plastisol that does not take days to eliminate stickyness 4-Plastisol that remains clear for dipping after 8-10,controlled re-heats in a micro wave 5- Plastisol that does not have a strong,chemical odor to it 6- Plastisol that does not bubble/foam on the initial,controlled heat-up in a micro-wave 7- Plastisol that is strong while providing good tear resistance and action in a soft-bait 8- Plastisol that is consistent w/ a manufacturer that stands behind their product Price is a factor but the cheaper ones simply cannot qualify w/ all 8 requirements for a hand injection operation. Time is money is a business operation and many times,the more expensive product will save you money and aggrevation in the long run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slammingjack Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Plastisol used through a heat exchanger for professional injection machines performs much differently vs. plastic heated continuosly in a Presto Pot w/ stirror for hand pour and/or hand injection.That said, I order my plastisol purchases bases upon the following criteria. 1- Plastisol that does not hard pack- I've got better things to do then waste my time trying to mix plastisol that hard packs like concrete on the bottom 2- Plastisol that smokes excessively 3-Plastisol that does not take days to eliminate stickyness 4-Plastisol that remains clear for dipping after 8-10,controlled re-heats in a micro wave 5- Plastisol that does not have a strong,chemical odor to it 6- Plastisol that does not bubble/foam on the initial,controlled heat-up in a micro-wave 7- Plastisol that is strong while providing good tear resistance and action in a soft-bait 8- Plastisol that is consistent w/ a manufacturer that stands behind their product Price is a factor but the cheaper ones simply cannot qualify w/ all 8 requirements for a hand injection operation. Time is money is a business operation and many times,the more expensive product will save you money and aggrevation in the long run. Sounds like real good stuff. I'll buy it what is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallmouthaholic Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Sounds like real good stuff. I'll buy it what is it? MF plastisol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slammingjack Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Aah, I all ready use it and your right on all 8 counts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R Glover Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 I have been using MF since 1980, it's the best that I have found, they all pretty much smoke or stink some when heated. It's a must to have proper ventilation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJK Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 got some on the way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutSupport.com Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 if you are worried about his or your health, try a Phthalates free type. This will only be 'better' and not totally harmless. Don't sniff the fumes, use a respirator, and use a ventilation system that pulls enough air.. there is a thread on ventilation right now that is worth reading. I wish I had built a bigger / stronger vertilation system to start with. Also, look out when using 'micro ballon' to make plastics float. Similar for any lightweight powdery substance. Use quality respirators that fit correctly... not something to skimp on. They are very inexpensive compared to the long term costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
