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  1. Also Mike, there was no offer to return the product. They just wanted to send samples. They were worse than the other stuff.

    So man up and get on the other thread and help the guy with your vast knowledge of hand pouring and the current products. Doubt you gave cooked either in a microwave so what can you say. No response is no response.

    Later much.

    Jim

  2. You asked to be kept up on what they were doing. I went the extra mile and tested the samplesm for Lureworks. Sent and email back several weeks ago. No response. Nothing more to say or do I guess.

    Guess the other guy is wrong in posting his results and non response too.

    Give me a break Mike.

    Signing off from stupid TU. Place is going back to how it was a couple years ago. No help, just a bunch of whiny people.

    Jim

  3. Mike, id you go back and review things, you can see I did not post up about the drums first. Others speculated, including you. This post is about CCM. If somebody posts an unrelated piece of intfo or not true info, I respond. Smallmouthaholic brought it back to the top regarding price, not me.

    Kaja is talking about molds and other stuff, not the plastisol. Have you either used it? Doubt it so you can only knock it for its cost. Don't buy a Ferrari since it costs too much. Just talk about how going fast is dangerous. All ridiculous.

    Jason is just another guy in the business that has treated me right. No more than that. I am not up his but like others are with their buddies. Others have not treated me right or sold me products that are inferior. If people made up shit about them, I would call that out too.

    Talk about the product or let this topic die.

    You all keep it going, not me.

    Let's get on with micro bubbles now.....

    Jim

  4. If there is information that is not true, I have every right to attempt to straighten out. If those guys would not speculate the costs and call Jason, they would not have to make uneducated guesses.

    Jim

  5. I am biased to the company that is being attacked without cause. Same shit happened with Kevin molds a while ago.

    Cry and moan is all that I here. Poke and pry. No info on the topic, just unrelated posts.

    If you can't get behind quality products, attack them or try to belittle them. Products stand on their own merits.

    Jim

  6. That is my point Mike. You get a price break but you are making the amount like he wouldn't give one. Local came from my phone back to adding in stuff. Auto text.

    Mike, you are biased to Spike It, no doubt. Start another thread on it and I will be glad to post my last results with that.

    This thread is about CCM plastisol and who got it. What part of that don't you guys get?

    If you want to talk about off topic stuff, start another thread.

    Jim

  7. What do molds have to do with this Kajan? I could care less. Bear copied all his stuff from existing baits or current baits. Big deal. What is your point?

    Again, you guys are trying to tear this guy sown because he is on the way up. Why doesn't your guy go out and make his own plastisol instead of carrying junk after junk? He can't, won't??? If you switch brands you cathy every few months what kind of crap is that???

    Give it up and start a thread on what you feel he copied or whatever your deal is. I have bought from Bear, COM, LC, Del etc and continue to. You guys are biased and it shows.

    Plastisol performance??????

    Jim

  8. Jim, the way you figure this is easy. 5 gallons of plastisol weighs 40 lbs. You divide the cost of the 5 gallon bucket of plastisol by the 40 lbs which is the weight. This comes out to $4.42 per lb. So if you figure Spike-It which is $95.00 for a 5 gallon bucket and divide it by 40 lbs, then you get a cost per lb of $2.38 not $5.26. Plastisol is only sold to hand pourers and hobbyists by the gallon everyone else pays per lb. That makes Spike-It $2.04 less per lb.

    Jim, if the shipping to your house for LC which is located in Indiana is $26 then the shipping in your same state would less than the cost of shipping from LC. Is that correct? If so, even at $26 for shipping that's $37 less than LC, so what would be your actual shipping cost from CCM? And I notice that smallmouthaholic says that even if that includes shipping, so I'm just taking for granted that shipping is included. Now check my math and see if you come up with the same thing. And as far as the extrapolation there was no assuming or estimating done it was a statement of the facts. Jim, I understand you want to help Jason, but to pop off like I would post something that was not true hurts buddy. And keep in mind I do use between between 50 and 70 drums a season, so I do have a little bit of knowledge about what I do for a living.

    So if he offers a 55local gallon drum for less than your extrapolation, you will offer a very public apology for incorrect info. This is like Toyota saying they can tell what Ford is going to charge. Come on, get off it and call the guy if you need or want a 55 gallon drum.

    All the rest of this talk is speculation. Compare performance and get back to me Mike.

    Jim

  9. Wow. At the current price per lb that would make it $1294.80 higher per 55 gallon drum than the current market prices right now. That''s $4.42 per lb. And I also heard that LC has just went up $27 per 5 gallon bucket. For the hobbyist who may be just selling at a local tackle shop, there is absolutely no way to compete with competition at these prices. I understand now why 55 gallon drums aren't offered.

    You can't just extrapolate that way Mike!!! You also have to consider you are using the pricing that is including shipping, not just the product price. That would make your numbers incorrect from the start.

    How did you get $4.42 per lb????? 55 gallons/$1294.80 = .00442 x 100 = $4.42 per lb??? If so, that would put Spike It pourasol at $5.26 per lb. Incorrect math.

    I will agree the prices are high.Too high for everything!!! LC went up a good while ago. Think it was May...

    Problem for me is that at the $132 for 5 with LC plus shipping of $26. $158.. I'll pay a extra for M-F or CCM not having to stir and scrape every day. M-F is almost the same at $175 to my house.

    Even if something was $20 a gallon but produced inferior baits, you could not compete. Cheaper plastisols require far more prep time and scent to cover up the pvc's when hand pouring. You can't disallow that time cost either. Time is money with hand pouring/hand injecting.

    The great thing is that there are choices available to all on what to buy so nobody is forced to buy what they don't want.

    Jim

  10. Check flea markets and garage sales or get ahold of guys that remodel in your area. They usually throw the kitchen exhaust stuff out and might be glad for you to take it.

    I bought my "old" one at a garage sale for $15. As long as you can live with the olive green color, you are good!

    Jim

  11. Ok Jim, I have used it and it seems like one formula of a spike-it brand, acts a little the same. Maybe they changed a few things for CCR. Bear and CCR were going to be partners at some point as read somewhere, fell through. I haven't it long enough to see a settling problem yet. It does start white and you cook it comes out about the same as others or close. Is this better? Maybe your color of the month should be brown. Oh well you can fuss this out with others, cheers mate!

    DUH!!!!!!!! Can't even get CCM right? Who the hell is CCR. I guess you have it all figured out. Post up some baits in the gallery. Maybe your color of the month is yellow. Let see it big talker..... This is a bait forum, not just a place to type stuff....

    Of course, jump in stir up and then let others fuss it out. Question a guys service to his country and call him arrogant because he is a US citizen and then jump out. I am going to get kicked off TU soon over a guy that only stirs things up and never helps out. Bet you have never served this country. Please don't call me mate as I would never associate with anyone that questions a man's service to his country.

    CCM is NOT a formula of spike-it but you have insisted that from early on. Call Spike-It, they will tell you that is a LIE....

    BBK, what baits are designed close to Bear's? If you say frog, go back and look at things. Bear's updated frog came out well after the CCM. The original was quite different. Remember this, the owner of this forum even said Bear started his business by copying the guy that started making the pots here. All good but if you want to get it all started again, be sure you know the whole deal. Also, go back and ask those that helped Bear start up what he did after he got started. Lots of one side of the story going down for sure.

    This isn't to drag Bear in cause he is a good guy. Leave him out of this. You guys are just attempting to drag down a good guy like Jason. Other companies could have developed their own plastisol but didn't for lack of money, effort or whatever. Give the guy credit for going out there and doing it instead of trying to tear him down.

    Jim

  12. True Jon. My example suggestes room air exchanges 8 times per hour only. Probably not enough for plastisol fumes.

    Also consider if you are pouring directly under the hood, your air exchange will be greatly increased.

    Jim

  13. it seems to me i have read or heard from one of the plastisol manufacturers that the heat stabilizer used in our type of plastisol only comes in 55 gallon drum quantites and they would rather you buy 10-20 at a time instead of 1. so even if you got 1 drum of that why wouldnt you be able to make a drum of end use plastisol? and i agree with kajun some of us know a little history here... :rolleyes::rolleyes:

    Why don't you just ask Jason about the 55 gallon drums himself? I believe he has stated that he was not offering 55 gallon drums yet. Ask him directly by email or phone call, he will tell you rather than speculate here. Maybe it is just like Ford not wanting to offer a bright green F150, when the market is there, they will sell it.

    This topic is about CCM plastisol. Not history or whatever else you guys want to change the subject to.

    So, have any of you used the plastisol? Can you comment on it vs the others like Calhoun's, LC, Ozark, Lureworks??????

    I figured that was the best you could do pow.... No true information, just a poor attempt at sarcasm....

    Jim

  14. Hummm :huh:

    Is that your results from testing this plastisol???? Not sure I understand your input on this thread?

    Be glad to point out the obvious copies mold makers have currently for sale but that would be another fun thread, this is for the CCm plastisol.

    Have you used it Kajan????

    Ditto!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Jim

  15. Try this for a rough gauge:

    This method works on the assumption that the goal for room ventilation is 8 complete air changes per hour. Take your square footage x ceiling height to get the total cubic feet to be ventilated.

    Example: Room measures 10 feet wide and 12 feet long. It has 8 foot ceilings. So 10 x 12 x 8 = 960 cubic feet.

    We take the cubic feet and divide by 60 - which is the number of minutes in an hour. We take the result and multiply by 8 (remember, our target is 8 complete air changes each hour). The complete equation is as follows:

    STEP 1

    10 ft X 12 ft X 8 ft = 960 cubic feet.

    STEP 2

    960 divided by 60 = 16.

    STEP 3

    16 x 8 = 128

    So - we need 128 CFM of air movement to properly ventilate this room. Assuming there is not and excessively long or twisting duct run to the outside - we would select a fan that moves somewhere around 130 CFM or higher.

    Home Depot, Lowe's or garage sales for larger fans....

    Jim

  16. I also have talked to friends throughout business and seem to think you have copied or borrowed a few of the ideas.

    Those guys are full of it!!!!!! Look over the mold selection on "your friends" sites and see who has copied what. Most make almost exact copies of baits out there now. I know how CCM has taken steps to NOT do this.

    Also, give the man credit for taking the time to research and test plastisol that would work for hand pourers and specifically the microwave. All that took lots of time and money I'll bet. If he didn't see a need and didn't hear the constant complaints about what was already available, he would not have gone for it I'd guess. I am SURE he didn't do it to have his service to our country questioned!!!!!!!!

    My guess is you have never spoken to the guy so you really don't know him or you would take his comments for what he means and not how you are interpreting them. To bad as he is a nice guy to deal with like many of the others out there in this business.

    Soooo, spend time on the topic of the plastisol instead of non topic comments. Have you even tried this plastisol?

    Jim

  17. Both make nice colors but different as has been described. I still have a quart of the "old" stuff. I use it every day I'd bet.

    PS Mike brings up a good and important point. The pigment is just mixed with softener so the more colorant you add, the softer your baits will come out. 50 drops of a colorant will impact your resulting baits significantly if you are already starting out with super soft plastisol.

    Jim

  18. I may have hit on the partial answer as to why some have lots of micro-bubbles and some just have few bubbles and some may not report any.

    I had not used any Pourasol in a few days and wanted to get the soft pack mixed back up. Turned my jugs over and left them for an hour or so. Came back and there was a nice ring of plastisol on the shop floor.

    I know if plastisol can get out, moisture can get in. Stabilizer is made in a way that some "salts" are introduced into the plastisol.

    My theory is, the HIGH (80-90%) humidity, is getting into my plastisol, even though the lids are on as tight as you could get one.

    I have a way of evacuating the humidity (water) out via a buddy so I am going to take a sample to be de-aired.

    I do think the microwave still is causing some issue via the rapid cook but my hunch is guys are seeing this in places with very high humidity because the jug/lid combo is not effectively sealing out the moisture. Plus, Spike It is here in GA, where the humidity is HIGH. Another chance for contamination right out of the factory...

    Will update after de-airing...

    Jim

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