Thanks for the help. Iam wanting to make this bait myself, just for kicks. I have a friend with all the equipment. The rivers are loaded with log jams and mainly gravel or sandy bottoms. I fish from a canoe on these trips, so a short rod is more convienent for storage and acurate, low casts. I need the relative heavy line for the debris and to be able to hold on until can paddle upstream to retrieve hung up lures. I have tried several lures suck as small bombers, little n's etc. None of these seem to run well in the current or the lips or too small and cause the lure to hang up. It seems hard to find any small body lures( because targeting small fish) with adequate lips or designed to run deep enough. The current will definitely cut diving capabilities down. Thanks for the advice on design. Please send me any more information or ideas you guys might have.