Thanks Toadfrog.. I'm the type of guy whom is always looking for alternatives, and do not like to be forced into having to buy one particular product due to someone saying "you have no other choice, just buy it from these folks ". I do see that as far as the plastic goes we pretty much have no other choice but to but the plastisol or the alumisol other than going green using the gelatin and glycerin mix I've read about . By the way , has anyone tried this ? Any luck going biodegradable ?