Mesh scale pattern question
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Posted 13 December 2007 - 07:23 PM
OK guys, this is the first question I have asked since joining the site. It seem that there a lot of ways out there to apply a scale pattern to the lure. I think I will try using the bridal veil mesh (tulle) first. I can see how you can get it wrapped around the top of the lure and get the paint on the top of the lure but how do you get the mesh to fit against the sides and bottom of the lure without overwrapping the mesh? Do you have to cut the mesh to fit the lure? I haven't even started painting the bodies I have made yet. It looks like I will have to make a drying wheel and I will probably have to wait until warmer weather to actually start painting due to temp conditions in my garage. But that's alright, it will give me time to turn out some more bodies this winter. I just wanted to know if there is a certain way to get the mesh stretched over the body to fully cover it without any overlap. Thanks again for y'alls patience...........
Posted 13 December 2007 - 08:55 PM
To apply the mesh without overlap, do one side at a time.
Apply the mesh to the first side and let the mesh go ahead and over lap a little.
Then use an Xacto knife and cut a line straight down the back of the bait (along the entire length of the top or "back" of the bait). Lift the excess mess off. Then cut a straight line down the belly and pull the excess off. In other words, cut along the belly in the center of the bait, from the nose to the tail.
Now you should have mesh over the side, and halfway across the back line and the belly line.
Next, put the mesh on the other side and let it overlap a little. Take your Xacto knife and carefully make a cut along the same line on the back. Remove the excess. Next make a cut along the belly on the same line as you cut when you applied the first hafl of the mesh.
If that doesn't make sense, or you don't understand for one reason or another, I will explain it a different way.
Also note that some guys just trim it off close to the belly line and back line and just paint over the edge where the mesh stops. In other words, the back will be painted over and the belly will be painted over so having mesh show through the foil there is unnecessary, really. Its a matter of preference.
Posted 13 December 2007 - 08:58 PM
Ok, I think I understand how to do that. Thanks FF, I'll give it a try on a practice plug.
Posted 13 December 2007 - 10:36 PM
I just tried foiling my first bait on what I considered a "practice plug." It was actually just something I had carved out in a a matter of like 15 minutes. I did it real quick and relatively sloppy, unfortunately the lure ended up with amazing action and I actually liked what I did with the paint. I only say unfortunately because now I'm upset I did it quick and sloppy, guess ya live and learn. Now I have something to emulate I guess...
Posted 14 December 2007 - 01:52 AM
Quick & dirty - I drape netting over the back and use clothes pins along the belly to hold it against the sides. If there's slack netting on the back, put a couple of pins there too. Shoot one side, dry it with a hair dryer, and flip it over and do the other side. I only shoot scales on the shoulders then remove the net and paint the back solid, shading it over the scales to complete the effect. You don't want to stretch the netting so tight that it deforms and remember that some paint on the body can be quite tender. A small benefit, you can reuse the netting for quite a few baits.
Posted 14 December 2007 - 03:52 PM
I'm with Bob. I rarely go beyond the shoulders of the lure. Clothes pins work grest.
Posted 14 December 2007 - 05:48 PM
I think you will find tulle to be quite small for a scale pattern..... Mosquito netting and embroidery hoop (Walmart) ...... lots of control... fast, easy.... and looks great..........
Posted 14 December 2007 - 06:03 PM
I'm sorry for my above post. I misread the question. I thought you were asking how to get foil on the bait without overlapping and wrinkles.
Posted 15 December 2007 - 12:45 AM
LOL.........I was reading that post and trying to figure out if you meant to be in this thread or if you just went crazy.
Posted 15 December 2007 - 01:48 AM
yep, what george said.....
Posted 15 December 2007 - 01:55 PM
If you try to put "scales" on your bait using netting, you'll find it to be VERY easy to do. Just make sure that when you drape the netting over the bait, you hold it tightly against the body.
Here's how I do my "scaling." .......
1. Place the bait in a vise by clamping the tail eyescrew. It allows the bait to be suspended by the tail in a horizontal position.
2. Drape the "veil" material or "netting" as I call it, over the bait and let it hang down beneath the bait. Position it carefully. Pay attention to how the holes in the netting line up against the sides and top of the bait.
3. Secure the netting tightly against the body by hanging clamps onto the netting. I pinch both loose pieces together beneath the bait and use refrigerator clamps to clamp them together. (Refrigerator clamps are those magnetic clamps like you see on a clipboard, but they're designed to hold notes, pictures, etc, on your frig.)
4. Spray from the tail forward. Mist the paint on. You can always add more, but you can't take it off after you put it on. Add layers of color till your happy with the results. Then, for Pete's sake stop. Don't be tempted to add more here or there (like I usually am). Less is more, usually, if you know what I mean.
If you're using black, as I almost always do, know that black is a powerful color on a bait and a little goes a long way to adding depth to the shoulders/top of the bait, so go easy with it.
5. Give it a minute or two and then remove the clamps. Finally carefully remove the netting, starting from the nose and working slowly toward the tail.
I always love that part of the painting. Don't ask me why, but I do.
With the above method you can also flip the bait over (belly up) , place it in the vice, and put smaller finer netting on to get smaller finer scales on the belly area of the bait.
Posted 15 December 2007 - 02:04 PM
By firmly securing the netting, you can acquire a great deal of control of where the paint goes and you can even apply the use of stencils to create isolated areas of scales.
Posted 15 December 2007 - 02:24 PM
Your hardbaits always leave me weak in the knees... They just scream MUSKY!
Posted 15 December 2007 - 07:08 PM
sweet fatfingers, so to get something like that you say start with all yellow or chartreuse ( like you have colored ) then shoot the orange then red then black being the last color ? ( you might have more colors I am just trying to get the idea of of it all ).
Posted 15 December 2007 - 07:20 PM
for cheep mesh scale. go to the dollar store for a buck get the fabric laundry bags. they work great.
Posted 15 December 2007 - 09:48 PM
Thanks, Spike. I appreciate the compliment.
Predator, You've pretty much got it.
I shoot the belly, then work my way up the sides with the color fades until I have the darkest orange on the shoulders of the bait.
Next I used a stencil to shoot the black stripes on the sides...then I stopped and draped the netting over the bait and shot silver over the black stripes (by using the same stencil again) and then I removed the stencil and shot black through the netting ONLY over the top/center of the back.
Next I used a stencil to shoot black gill plates.
Remove the stencil...lay netting over the black gill plates and shoot silver through the netting over the black gill plates...just near the outside edge of the gill plates.
If that doesn't make sense, let me know, and I'll explain it in other words.
Hope that helps.
Posted 16 December 2007 - 01:39 AM
That's black over silver through the mesh?? Looks like the other way around.
Posted 16 December 2007 - 01:47 AM
You're right. I stand corrected. I put the silver stripes on first and shot the black over the stripes and the back through the net.
(I was in a hurry to get down to the basement when I wrote that.)
Thanks, V-Man. I have a Sony digital. Its nice but its a battery eater!~