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swimbait in progress
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Posted 17 December 2007 - 06:31 PM
Been making lead baits and painting plugs for a while, decided to try carving some lures a while ago, but everything made its way to the scrap pile for one reason or another. This one made it to the water tonight. No idea what it weighs, but it sinks about 1' per second and nice and level. Swims pretty nicely, too. Little bit of head movement and lots of tail from what I could tell. It was pretty dark out when I was throwing it. Kept breaking off the screw eyes trying to get them through the lead in the body on the first joint, that's why the cutout is so wide on the bottom. Poplar, 8" to tail, body is 6-1/4" Just needs hooks, paint and eyes and ready to go.
Posted 17 December 2007 - 06:58 PM
That looks pretty nice, sorry I picked on your last post. (LOL)
Posted 17 December 2007 - 08:04 PM
Clamboni, it looks great. I like the pin joints, very tidy.
Posted 17 December 2007 - 09:45 PM
nice bait....I might have seen one of those somewhere
Posted 17 December 2007 - 10:16 PM
Fantastic looking bait. I think that biat would look awesome with that bluegill pattern in your avatar.
Posted 17 December 2007 - 10:34 PM
Very nice lure, how long is it? Just one thought. I do sink rate and swim test's with the hook's and hardware I plan to use. I've found this to be very important especially on suspending and countdown lures.
Posted 17 December 2007 - 11:52 PM
The body is about 6.5", total length with tail is 8". Yeah, Yeah, it's pretty close to a triple trout, but I used some things I saw in the TT because it's a very simple lure and has great action. As far as the tests, I just took it out to see if it would have any action. I didn't put any hooks on because I was trying to get to the little creek I was at before it got dark and took it out right after I put it together. When I was throwing it, I was using tape to hold in the pins. I wanted to be able to take it apart if I saw anything that I thought would help out.....It's actually in pieces right now. But thanks for the compliments.
I wasn't looking for any specific sinkrate. Probably a little faster than I would have preferred, but I was concentrating more on getting the bait to have some action. I'm actually somewhat disappointed that the action was good on the first shot because now I have no reason to change anything and learn from it.
Posted 18 December 2007 - 08:30 AM
Sure, it looks like a Triple Trout but eh..no big deal. It looks great. Keep us updated.
Posted 18 December 2007 - 09:37 AM
if youre really disapointed that it didn't swim right the first time i'll trade with ya. where is the weight placement?
Posted 18 December 2007 - 11:35 AM
I actually took another pic today of the bottom of it so you could see the weight placement. I don't have a drill press right now so I used a cordless drill. 3/8" bit and tried to get close to drilling to the center of the bait. Poured lead directly in the holes to about 1/8" from full and filled in with Devcon 5min. I'm GUESSING about 2 oz of lead in it.
Posted 18 December 2007 - 07:09 PM
The bait looks great...I want too see it when you get it all done..Nathan
Posted 19 December 2007 - 01:56 PM
I got to throw it with hooks on today and it swims fairly well. Unfortunately, because I wasn't thinking as I was making it, I had to put the rear hook on the last segment and I think it may have killed the action a little. Looks the way I thought it was the other night. Little bit of head movement, decent amount of tail movement. At high speeds, it rolls a little though. I think The weight placement is a little high in the bait. I'm thinking about sanding down the bottom of it to lower the center of gravity a little. Next bait won't be drilled as deep for the weights. A friend got some video of it, hopefully he'll email it to me tonight so I can post it up.
Posted 19 December 2007 - 02:06 PM
Just an idea. You could cut a trench along the back, cover and fill to suit. This air pocket would counter the ballast problem and save having to alter the shape. This would also reduce the sink rate (see post No7).
Posted 19 December 2007 - 02:39 PM
Didn't think of that...........Thinking about it now, I think I just might drill down into the lead from the top of the bait and fill in the hole. I'll mess around with it tomorrow.......off to work right now.
Posted 19 December 2007 - 05:06 PM
Holy Triple Trout batman! I'm just busting your stones. I have seen many dicussions about people not showing thier custom baits because they feared ideas would be stolen or copied. I guess this shows it goes both ways. I say if you can make a Triple Trout for $10 instead of paying $100 plus, go for it.
Posted 19 December 2007 - 11:17 PM
Clamboni. That's a good idea. But instead of filling it, tape the hole and test the fall rate with the air pocket. You can then tune the sink rate by adding more or less filler. Do you have digital scales. If not, you should definately get a set (0.1gm accuracy), that goes for everyone who builds lures.
You could add lead to the hole until the sink rate you want is achieved. The weight of lead will tell you how much filler to use.
Posted 20 December 2007 - 12:05 AM
I just noticed that the first set of pixs had a cardboard tail piece and in box 10 of this thread, it looked different. I realized that if you where testing it would have changed, what is the matterial in that photo, plastic? Looking forward to seeing the test video.
Vodkaman. Don't they make a heavy clay (putty) that wieghs the same as lead? I seem to remember reading something about it being use by jet engine mechs that were blending compressor blades to keep the rotating assembly balanced during the repair. It is removed before the engine is listed ready for service.
Posted 20 December 2007 - 12:22 AM
I've never been involved in engines except for a small job I did for Rohr, I was an airframe structure designer.
If the putty was developed for the aircraft industry, it will cost BIG as everything else does. But, for this application, a few scissor snips of lead will be good enough.
Posted 20 December 2007 - 12:30 AM
The bait is identical in those two pics. Nothing changed. I think you just can't see the tail in the last pic because of the angle/lighting. The tail is a piece of lexan. I just sanded it so it's not clear. I was thinking about it and I may actually just end up making a cavity of some sort in the top of the bait. I'd have to risk drilling through my screw eyes to get to most of the lead and I don't want to do that. I may even just leave it alone and start on another one. It was only about an hour of actual shaping that I put into it so starting over won't be a big deal.
Posted 20 December 2007 - 12:56 AM
Just move the hook forward and see what happens. If it rolls too much, add a couple of additional weights to the bottom with a smaller bit making sure you keep the lead low. If it sinks a bit faster that's fine.