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Can anyone share some paint recipes?
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Posted 23 December 2007 - 02:27 PM
I'm just getting going on making my own Musky baits. I was wondering if anyone would be willing to shorten my learning curve on paints. I know people use different paints but some help to put me in the ball park would be greatly appreciated. I'm looking to make the following baits:
Thanks again to anyone who can help.
Posted 23 December 2007 - 06:55 PM
If you click on 'FORUM', top of every page, and select 'Hard Baits', the very first post is a Sticky titled 'Hard Bait Cookbook'. It's all there waiting for you. If some of the colors you are after are not in the three pages, ask and someone will get you the recipe. Good Luck.
Posted 23 December 2007 - 07:46 PM
I checked it out and the ones I'm looking for are not in there.
Posted 23 December 2007 - 08:46 PM
I don't mean to sound like too much of a #####, but what, in the end, would you gain from someone telling you exactly how something is done? Buy a paint kit and a color wheel if it helps, and start poking around. It'll help you learn your own schemes, and if something ever goes wrong, you'll have a clue as to what to do. The guys that paint a great bait didn't read it out of a book, they practiced. Just ask Kellure, Blades, Blackjack, and on and on.
Posted 23 December 2007 - 08:55 PM
I've allways found that along from learning from your own mistakes, learning from others mistakes can really help one along especially when you're new @ something. To each his own.
Posted 23 December 2007 - 09:02 PM
Yes, but you asked how to paint silver, gold and firetiger...all but one come in a bottle, but are better done with foil.
Posted 23 December 2007 - 09:27 PM
I was hoping for a "try spraying this on the side and maybe this on the bottom." Just looking for a little help. If this post bothers you(which it seems to) don't read it.
Posted 23 December 2007 - 09:57 PM
I'm not a great painter but what I do is try to blend colors..white primer then white paint then I might paint silver sides with a darker top to match the bait...a carp or goldfish you could paint gold base coat then put your scale(mesh) on and spray orange over it giveing you a orange carp with gold scales...or play with the colors to give yourself more of a brownish carp color....golden paint is good paint and many co. have different shades of color you could do silver/light gold/darker gold...its endless really, I paint saltwater baits...the guys here on this site paint in detail:yay:
Posted 23 December 2007 - 10:44 PM
here's one white belly/silver side/gold then green top:)
Posted 24 December 2007 - 01:16 AM
This wheel at the bottom is where I started. Then 2 more years of Jr. High, 4 years if High School, and 5 years of College. I now have BS in Business and a Minor in Art.
This site was not around when I started making baits and I gave up on a couple of occasions. Then I found this site and spent many hours of studying before I asked my first question. This site is like another endless course in woodworking, art, chemistry and physics all in one. If you are willing to study TU, you will reduce your learning time exponentially. I don't think there is any short answer to what you are asking. Some TU member (in time) might be willing to show you in person if you spend the time to build relationships, but everything you need is on this site.
One tip I have is, water based paints will be more forgiving and lacquer paints will give better results. Practice will give you the best results.
At the same time you posted this question, you also posted a question about copying baits with a duplicator (even though you were just asking if there was a machine that could do this). Please tell me you are going to copy your own original designs.
Paint a light color primer.
Paint the bait from the bottom up and from lighter to darker.
Paint the eyes last.
Color tints or pastels are achieved by adding white and shades are achieved by adding black.
Posted 24 December 2007 - 07:56 AM
Yes I would be copying my own designs. Thanks for the color wheel.
Posted 24 December 2007 - 12:56 PM
Some guys have proprietary schemes developed after many hours of trial and error. Everyone experiments to some extent. I try to keep a basic array of white, chartreuse, greens, blues and browns on hand, plus some pearls. For intermediate hues, I mix as needed. Any "formulas" I've seen pertain to specific brands and colors, of which there are thousands. It's a long shot that I'd have the brands/colors on hand that another guy uses anyway. In the end, you'll only be happy with your unique interpretation of a color scheme. My advice is get a basic array of colors and then check out some of the companies that sell "wildlife colors" for taxidermists if you want pre-mixed natural fish hues. Many of the "classic" patterns have nothing to do with "natural". The only real arbiter of color is the fish who's eyeing your bait. All else is vanity.
Posted 24 December 2007 - 01:10 PM
Posted 24 December 2007 - 03:07 PM
I wasn't trying to jerk anyone around, I just don't use "formulas". From your list, firetiger's the only one that I know is a fairly standard pattern using straight non-mixed paints. Spray a white basecoat. Spray the sides and belly chartreuse, then spray the shoulders and about 1/3 down the sides bright green. Spray an orange stripe along the belly. Make a cutout template for the black splotches and spray black splotches over the green and chartreuse sides. Finish with black over the back. Red eyes are traditional, I use 3D stick on eyes set in drilled recesses. A dark brown can be substituted for the black for "Brown Tiger".
For Gold Shiner, I foil the bait with heat duct tape, then shoot transparent yellow over the foil to get a nice gold tone effect. Medium brown shoulders and head shading and it's done.
Posted 24 December 2007 - 07:19 PM
I'll read/respond where I want to, thanks, but you've gotten the same response as I've given, just sugar coated. Put forth a little effort, you'd be surprised at what you can come up with. If all you ever paint is Bob's scheme, well, you'll forever be one step behind him. Like Palmetto said, it's a basic understanding of colors. If you're not interested in doing any footwork for yourself, you're supposed to be handed the answers?
Take my response how you want, but it's the only method to becoming adept at painting, or, well, anything.
Posted 24 December 2007 - 07:48 PM
This forum is a real give and take affair, and it takes a while to get to where you are able to give anything worth while. It helps to give before you take. I know, I'm still waiting to know enough about lures to contribute.
Meantime, I've found the best policy is to lurk, read, and ask general questions. PM someone for some special advice. I've had nothing but generous responses from those I've PMd.
But if you don't try yourself first, and are asking for everyone's "special" colors, or formulas, or shapes, or anything else, you're going to get a lot of, "No comment". These guys (and gals, if you're there) are really good at what they do, they have put in countless hours learning lurecraft, and it's asking a lot to expect them to give it up, just like that. It's like a friend of mine and his partner. They have won six tournaments at one of the local lakes this year. They're really on the fish good. But I would never think to ask them how or where. That's for them to volunteer, if they want, or not. I know for a fact they both put in countless hours figuring the fish out, and I would be embarrassed to ask.
I know I'm kind of long winded, but, what I'm trying to say is, take it slow, don't ask for the moon right out of the gate. Think of it like dating. Get to first base first.
Posted 24 December 2007 - 08:02 PM
I hear ya but whats the use in having website like this if people don't want to share with others especially newbies? I was a fishing guide in one of the great Musky fisheries in the country. I have no problem telling people where I fish, what i use, how I run it, etc. Thats just me. If more people become involved and are successful at the sport then its better for the sport IMHO. I was just looking for some advice on where to start.