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Posted 27 January 2008 - 08:04 PM
Can a bait that is painted with createx, auto air, and other water based paints be wiped down with a lint free towel moistened with denatured alcohol without messing up the paint job? I do heat set the paint by the way if it matters. I have been having problems with fisheyes and Devcon...some worse than others. I am pretty meticulous about cleaning my mixing stick, cup and foil with alcohol prior to use, but not sure if I can wipe the bait down before coating. It is getting pretty old having to recoat. Thanks.
Posted 27 January 2008 - 09:25 PM
TJ...use a tack rag you can find them at Wal Mart or Lowes..... That is what I do... Now if you still get a hair on the clear or around the eyes!!! Take some sand paper... 1,000 grit.. or even 800... get the hair out after it drys... or just sand it down without getting into the paint.. It doesnt happen too often but when it does that is what I do.. Someone else can tell me if im wrong or right.. but I havent had any problems doing this..
Posted 27 January 2008 - 09:25 PM
I MEAN DUST NOT HAIR!!!! I forget you guys dont use a squrriel roaster to heat set them!!!
Posted 27 January 2008 - 09:27 PM
Your fish eyes are likely a result of one of two things:
1. You contaminated the lure surface with something, maybe your hands? After you primer the bait try not to touch it, if you do clean the surface with a paper towel and rubbing alcohol. Be careful as some brands of paper towels leave a nasty number of tiny fuzzies all over the lure! After you paint the lure don't touch it, set it aside and let it dry overnight before applying the clearcoat.
2. Sometimes you get fish eyes if you don't apply enough clearcoat...are you putting it thick enough? Make sure you brush the entire lure with the epoxy.
Posted 27 January 2008 - 09:50 PM
Thanks guys. I am positive I must be getting contamination on the bait via my hands. That is why I was asking if can wipe it down prior to clearing. It is kinda hard not to handle the baits somewhat, because they are jointed swimbaits. I am also sure that I am getting plenty on the bait.
Posted 27 January 2008 - 10:15 PM
Always wipe surfaces with a lint free cloth. The tack cloth is a good idea as well. Take a look at what you are mixing in, where it is, etc, sometimes it could be the unexpected, such as the wife cleaning up around the area with some Endust or something.
The only pits I've ever had were from not enough epoxy, try a batch, or just a piece of wood with your normal amount, and another with a little more, and compare.
Posted 27 January 2008 - 10:25 PM
I just had my first fisheye in about 200 baits tonight. I waited about 2 hrs and recoated with Devcon and it disappeared. Fisheyes used to happen to me more often and I think both greasy fingers or a too thin coat of epoxy can cause it. As far as "stuff" getting in the clearcoat, the biggest culprit for me was using paper towels to wipe excess epoxy off my brush. Paper towels shed fibers like crazy that are quickly picked up by an epoxy brush. Now I use a lint-free old cotton cloth to wipe my brush after cleaning it in solvent.
Posted 28 January 2008 - 02:08 AM
i've had a lot of problems with fisheyes since moving onto the airbrush from rattle cans and coating with e-tex,i now shoot a clear over the baits and allow the e-tex to thicken before putting the first coat on this has got rid of most of the problems which are then covered by the second coat of e-tex
Posted 28 January 2008 - 03:04 AM
I let the paints properly set and dip it in "Shellite" (Petroleum Spirit), which is LIKE petrol (gas) without the addetives.
This will not affect water based acrylics or any water based inks as alcohol will, that's why printers use gallons of it. pete
Posted 29 January 2008 - 02:14 AM
Latex or Nitrile powder-free gloves are a big help in minimizing finger contamination. Just wearing one is a big help.
Posted 04 March 2008 - 04:20 PM
No. Denatured alcohol will remove createx acrylics. Wipe with detergent only.
Are your fish eyes 'dry spots' or are they a true crater ?? if they are dry spots then that is contamination of the surface causing the epoxy not to adhere. If they are a true crater e.g round then that is caused by released air either from the epoxy itself or from the paint or whatever is under the paint (wood).
Posted 04 March 2008 - 04:53 PM
Watch out using old shirts/T shirts, I just got caught with the antipersperant residue in the cloth (I think)- This has silicone, exotic oils, pig fat and who knows what else in it - I use old unsoiled underwear, exclusivley now. pete
Posted 05 March 2008 - 05:53 PM
I think I'm glad I missed that in the pic of your shop!
Posted 05 March 2008 - 06:36 PM
How "unsoiled" do they have to be? You're cutting into my rag supply!
Posted 05 March 2008 - 08:17 PM
I have a dumb question... Are fisheyes the bubbles that you sometimes get when coating a lure in epoxy?
Posted 05 March 2008 - 09:27 PM
a bubble is a bubble
a fish eye is like a dimple on a golf ball.