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[SmokeyJ]

Not to be picky BobP, but the San Diego Jam knot you put the tag end through both the loop between the hook and the bottom of the wraps and then also the loop at the top, whereas the reverse clinch knot which Alton Jones uses you only bring the tag end back up through the loop at the top, not the loop between the hook and the bottom of the wraps. I prefer the San Diego Jam on my braid and the reverse clinch on mono/copoly. Both work well, although I am paranoid on the braid and put a dab of superglue on the knot to prevent the tag end slipping, even though it probably isn't necessary. Here are links to the two knots:

Alton Jones Reverse Clinch Knot
http://www.youtube.com/v/lI_J8Bk1eiM

San Diego Jam Knot
http://www.youtube.com/v/IjQutiu6Ick

[Piscivorous Pike]

Fish_N_Fool said:

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So whats your favorite knot? Try Tieing this one to one end and your favorite knot to the other end and pull, see for yourself which ones better.

I just joined the fray, as you see, but I will take up this invetation as the topic is never old. I agree it depends on the product you tie. I saw the knot wars and did not entirely agree with the results after my own experiences.

When super lines first became available it was found that the wraps often cut through the knot, so you needed more lines under the wrap to support it.

I took the challenge and and created a knot that works in the super lines, braid and fused lines but not to good in mono. I believe it is 100% strength in most applicartaions.

I submittted my knot to In-fisherman and it was reviewed by Mr. Stange, The Kramer Knot, was published in the In-fisherman, March 1995 edition.

This illustration is directly from that publication, belongs to them I believe I am allowe to use it since I created it so here is...

[Fish_N_Fool]

WOW WOW WOW did you guys see they have picked up my knot at knot wars and it is winning it all!!!!!!! I was so shocked to turn on the north American fishing show to watch knot wars and bang there is my knot being tested. This is so cool.

Edited by Fish_N_Fool, 04 February 2009 - 05:28 AM.

[Piscivorous Pike]

Fish_N_Fool said:

WOW WOW WOW did you guys see they have picked up my knot at knot wars and it is winning it all!!!!!!! I was so shocked to turn on the north American fishing show to watch knot wars and bang there is my knot being tested. This is so cool.

For cryin' out loud! Torture me! I have not been a member long enough to know what knot that is!
Likely it is in my scrap book because I scour the internet weekly for fishing knots from around the world, I collect them and enjoy working with knots. As you can see, I got one that only made one publication.
My quest is still to find the best knot I can tie with cold arthritic hands while fishing the Montana winters.
Which knot, tell me, PLEEZZE.

EDIT:
DUH:
I found it: Fish-n-Fool, what else! Congratulations.

Edited by Piscivorous Pike, 04 February 2009 - 07:45 AM.
stupidity

[Fish_N_Fool]

Piscivorous Pike said:

For cryin' out loud! Torture me! I have not been a member long enough to know what knot that is!
Likely it is in my scrap book because I scour the internet weekly for fishing knots from around the world, I collect them and enjoy working with knots. As you can see, I got one that only made one publication.
My quest is still to find the best knot I can tie with cold arthritic hands while fishing the Montana winters.
Which knot, tell me, PLEEZZE.

Pike here is the video from last weeks Knot Wars on the North American Fishing Club site that shows how to tie the Fish-N-Fool knot. North American Fisherman Magazine - Video & Podcasts This is gonna be almost as cool as my Sink-N-Fool line of baits.
Tnx FNF.

Rick Lawrence
Fish-N-Fool Lures

[MTfishingrods]

Rick,
Did you ever get your sink n fool line of baits patented? I was just curious because I thought they looked very similar to some of the baits done by many others. I dont do much plastic so I could be wrong though. Also where are they for sale at now? I cant find your web site.
Shane

[MTfishingrods]

Rick,
I just read my post from yesterday and it kind of sounds like I am taking a jab at your bait and I cant edit that post for some reason. That wasnt my intent. Sorry, it the good old internet thing. Typing may not say what you intend kind of thing. What happened is I could only find a picture of a couple baits made by you when I searched and I dont think they were the ones you were refering to because I found where you had a patent pending. Thats what I was trying to ask is where can we see them because they sound cool also. Hope there wasnt a miscommunication.
Shane

[Fish_N_Fool]

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I just read my post from yesterday and it kind of sounds like I am taking a jab at your bait and I cant edit that post for some reason.

Shane I wasnt quite sure what you meant here so tnx for clearing it up. I'm still working on getting my Patent finished.

[hrdcore]

what about the strentgh of snelling the line directly to the hook? Seems like the cleanest connection to me.

[gundawg]

I don't know why you're making such a big deal about the 'Fish N Fool' knot. It's simply a variation of the Uni Knot with 2 loops through the eye instead of the usual 1.

[wchilton]

One article I read a few years back on line strength happened to find that the double-improved clinch knot was stronger than the line for virtually every line they tested. That's when I switched to that one and I don't remember it ever failing on me. The review of the different lines was an eye-opener as well...most lines break above their rated strength and some by nearly twice rated strength. You have to be careful in comparing these things. As mentioned above, a slow-pull test can be different than a "shock" test and for lines you need to test them wet as well as dry because some loose a bit of strength when wet. They did a number of other tests as well for abrasion resistance, etc. and my take was you just need to choose line for the conditions you fish. Lately my preferred mono is P-line flouroclear and I also use spectra, but not for surf fishing. I've had spectra ruined by sand abrasion, something I've never seen with mono.

[BobP]

The main thing in knots is to find a few you can 1) tie consistently and 2) work for your style of fishing. It's surprising to me that you find the Palomar hard to tie - it's seems about the simplest knot there is. I think different knots work well with different lines. I like the Palomar on regular mono line when bass fishing. When I fish fluorocarbon or braid, I want a knot that includes multiple wraps around the mainline to cushion the knot. Neither fluoro or braid have much stretch and instantaneous strain is what usually causes them to break. The San Diego Jam knot is easy for me to tie and includes multiple wraps, so I use it with those lines. For joining lines, I use a Uni-Uni knot that I tie with the help of a little Fas-Tie tool.