thru wire holes
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Posted 11 March 2008 - 08:26 AM
Those who build muskie lures...what are you using to fill the thru wire hole and the hook hanger holes???
Posted 11 March 2008 - 11:32 AM
I think it was "Stripers on line" or something like that. They talk about using "boiled Linseed oil" to seal the wood including the through wire hole. Then no fillers needed.
***You buy boiled linseed oil, don't boil linseed oil***
Posted 11 March 2008 - 12:25 PM
epoxy fills the gap when you glue the two halves of your lure together.
Posted 11 March 2008 - 01:09 PM
I don't know who in their right mind would seal a bait with boiled linseed oil. Boiled linseed oil is a wood finish that dates back to the 18th century and earlier and does not offer good water protection. Save the boiled linseed oil for antique furniture and cabinetry and use epoxy to fill those holes.
Posted 11 March 2008 - 04:20 PM
Lots in their right mind that are in the know.
Here's just one thread on the subject. Most of these guys fish the salt. If the lures hold up well in the salt then surly they would be ok for fresh water.
blo ? - SurfTalk
Go there and do a search, tons of information on the 60/40 mix of boiled linseed oil/mineral spirits to sealing the wood.
One word of caution, never discard the rags you use to wipe down your lures that were soaked in boiled linseed oil in the house or basement. They are well known for spontaneous combustion.
Posted 11 March 2008 - 04:58 PM
I use 5 minute epoxy for the fill work and work the epoxy into the gaps using a small toothpick. I have a small vice for my drill press that I use to position the bait to allow the epoxy to level and cure. Don't be afraid of excess, especially on a hardwood lure, as it sands off easily with 220 grit orbital palm sander.
Posted 11 March 2008 - 05:18 PM
Most of the time I use thinned epoxy to get down into the holes, strait epoxy to cover-up or fill holes, and I have used a filler material similar to bondo to fill big holes.
Posted 11 March 2008 - 06:05 PM
Sorry, kind of the wrong tone I took with that one, but my uncle does carpentry and we have talked about boiled linseed oil before regarding rifle stocks, window trim, cabinetry, etc. He told me that a lot of people who buy old houses want to use period finishes on stuff, and he said he does everything he can to talk people out of boiled linseed especially for window trim and bathroom/kitchen cabinetry exposed to water because it doesn't protect as well polyurethane or even some other more modern oil finishes.
The military used it on rifle stocks because it prevented them from drying out and warping/cracking. It is water resistant (not water proof) because it is an oil and is hydrophobic, but it doesn't form any sort of actual hard barrier on the surface like an epoxy or a polyurethane. It soaks into the wood and repels water. With furniture, wood trim, etc., it actually requires reapplications through the life of the piece to offer adequate protection (both from the wood getting too dry or too wet). In addition, because it is something that absorbs into the wood, and doesn't form a hard coating on the surface, the grain can still be felt (although it may not affect the appearance of the painted lure). Maybe it has benefits w/ saltwater, I don't know.
Anyways, I don't think it would do anything for filling the through wire holes and hook hanger holes, which is what he asked about in the first place, not sealing baits
Posted 11 March 2008 - 06:20 PM
filling and sealing are two different things.
For sealing the entire plug (water repellance) many of us saltwater builders use a 60/40 BLO/mineral spirit mix, or 60/40 valoil/mineral sprit mix. This does not fill the holes. It does NOT create a hard barrier. it does seep into the wood and sheds water. Most of us thru drill on a lathe or drill press and leave the thru hole unfilled NOT unsealed. A guy on that same board did a nice experiment with a variety of sealers. There were some surprising results, though a common theme is that you must have the right finishing system (sealer, primer, paint, topcoat) to be effective.
The debate rages (much like the "what is the best clearcoat debate here).
For filling the holes, you could use 5 min or 30 min epoxy. Another fine product is plumbers epoxy 2 part mix in a tube at the big box stores. tear off a piece knead it to mikx and fill the holes. It hardens like steel.
Posted 11 March 2008 - 06:35 PM
Does anyone do a linseed oil soak for water repellence and then seal over that with something hard for protection like epoxy or propionate over it? Overkill maybe?
Good idea with the plumber's epoxy, I hadn't though about that for filling the holes.
Posted 11 March 2008 - 06:55 PM
I have not heard of anyone doing a double seal like that though I was considering it when I was puzzling through a bait a couple months ago. I have not yet done that bait, bit was going to do a valoil dip then brush on some thinned epoxy. not done yet though,
Posted 11 March 2008 - 08:23 PM
Thanks to those who answered on the original question on filling the holes. I was fishing for answers on if there was anything added to the epoxy like sawdust, or the like, so as not to use ALL epoxy. How did this get on sealing the wood anyways?
Posted 11 March 2008 - 08:42 PM
sawdust or silica will work. when i built a clc kayak, both were used as filler when mxing epoxy to goop into the seems or to thicken it.
I think one of the first couple of responses though you were refering to sealing the thru hole not necesarily filling it.
Posted 11 March 2008 - 08:44 PM
you could try fiberglass resin also. it hardens like cement. most guys use epoxy. i wont get into sealing. thats for the hatfields and mcoys
Posted 11 March 2008 - 11:28 PM
Guess i misunderstood the original post and took "fill" for "seal".
My intention was to point out if you seal the wood you wouldn't half to worry about filling the holes.
Musky baits are large like the striper baits are...or maybe they ain't?
Anyway, I posted with good intension's no harm no foul.
Posted 12 March 2008 - 05:51 PM
stay away from polyester resins. They do not adhere well to wood, yellow with time, and become brittle with UV exposure. one other little tidbit of info. Polyester is NOT WATERPROOF that is whay glass cars and boats have a gellcoat on them.
Posted 12 March 2008 - 06:27 PM
guys for what it is worth i use a hot glue gun with basic wally world glue sticks to seal my rattles and thru wire and have never had any kind of pull out or chemical reaction to paint or epoxy top coat. glue gun is really quick drying also. just my 2cents
Posted 12 March 2008 - 09:44 PM
Thanks for all the replies. I just worked on a 12" deep diver and was looking for different ideas. I have used a 2 part epoxy (syringe) thinned with a bit of alcohol to run down into the holes. It will run all the way thru if you dont watch it. The glue gun trick is interesting but it DOES set up quick and might not flow very far before blocking up. I wonder if an air pocket would affect it's action at all?