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Posted 23 March 2008 - 08:48 PM
Has anyone used a durable matte topcoat? I know that Createx has one but not sure about the durability. I have fished several matte Lucky Craft baits and they seem to be fairly durable.
Posted 24 March 2008 - 01:00 PM
Haven't used it...have had no call for it neither, BUT if I were to use it, I'd use it OVER my regular top coat of D2T.
Posted 24 March 2008 - 05:39 PM
You could probably spray matte pastel fixative over your epoxy clear coat, although I don't think it would be very durable.
Here's a question. Since wetting a scratched glossy surface takes away the scratches, would rubbing the clear coat with steel wool or a scotch pad to kill the gloss be a waste?
Otherwise, I'd try a matte solvent based clear, like the pastel fixative.
Posted 25 March 2008 - 12:59 PM
Matte or gloss is a debatable topic.
In my opinion you use what ever looks best to what you are trying to catch. An easy way to find out is go ask the species most lures are designed to catch. his is quite simple because over the years homosapiens have developed the ability to talk.
Posted 25 March 2008 - 01:57 PM
I've tried sanding the gloss off D2T to get a matte finish and it works .... until you get it wet. Water fills in the scratches and makes it glossy again. Most of the matte finish lures I've seen have a soft rubbery texture.
Posted 25 March 2008 - 02:34 PM
A better question might be: Does the original Bomber Firetiger and the Lucky Craft matt finish even have a clear coat? I thought I read somewhere they used an epoxy fluorescent paint without a clear coat to create the matt finish?
Posted 25 March 2008 - 08:54 PM
Yes, BobP, they do have a rubbery texture. Quick20xd, the epoxy paint thing may be correct. Whatever it is, it's very durable. I'd like to paint some crawfish patterns with a matte finish. The fish probably don't care about the finish but I do. I've never seen a crawfish shine like a new penny. I like my presentations to be as realistic as possible. I don't think sanding the epoxy finish would be the result I'm looking for. There IS something out there to get this finish. Too many lure companies have matte finish baits. BTW, Quick20xd, I'm a Bullet man too!!
Posted 25 March 2008 - 09:21 PM
Bomber matte finishes on the older models is not clear coated at all, Lucky crafts are, just look at the lips on them, its matte as well because its got the matte clear but no color under it. I have a way that I do my matte finishes and would gladly share if I had came up with it, but because I didn't I cannot divulge the person's secret.
Posted 26 March 2008 - 02:14 AM
Again, try some talc in any topcoat.
Two general rules -
Matte is usually gloss with an 'impurity' in it to scatter the light - Matte is never as hard as a gloss of the same lacquer, poly, epoxy etc.pete
Posted 26 March 2008 - 06:52 PM
Are you saying baby powder in Devcon will give a matte finish?
Posted 26 March 2008 - 07:17 PM
NO- this would have perfumes , oils etc in it . Go to a specialist wood turning shop, or art store, ask fro 'Raw talc' they should have it. Talc is what is added to most primers to make them matte, that's why they all feel so silky smooth after you sand them. Wood turners would be your best bet. pete
Posted 26 March 2008 - 09:18 PM
I guess the amount to mix with epoxy would be determined by trial and error?
Posted 26 March 2008 - 09:24 PM
Never used it in epoxy - might be worth testing it first. If you go to a paint shop, they use 'matte base' a lot for matting paints
Posted 26 March 2008 - 09:26 PM
Before you get to hung up on a gloss vs matte finish do some experimentation. Take a matte finnished lure and a gloss finished lure submerge both and observe weather or not there is a difference in light refraction. Of course you will need to submerge your eyes also to counteract the reflectionof light on the surface of the water.
I Wonder how much of a difference you will see?