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Work in progress: 'Twisterjerks'
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Posted 05 February 2009 - 11:21 AM
Twisted Dick Jerkers.....now that's funny.
Very nice baits..all of them.
Posted 05 February 2009 - 11:49 AM
Herwin, if you are serious about your business, patent your baits, raise prices and production nr's, problem solved.
Grtz and goodluck
Posted 05 February 2009 - 11:52 AM
Herwin, I really like those two foiled baits at the top of the first pic. Are they slow sinkers?
Posted 05 February 2009 - 01:35 PM
Thank you, and yes they are....all my baits are slow sinkers, as I'm awful at fishing with floaters....not my kind of game....
Posted 06 February 2009 - 01:33 AM
I just read through this post and it brough out different emotions. Reading the "It's my design and he copied it from me" reminded me of a little kid wanting attention. And the misleading impression of the "look what I have been making" reminded me of some snake taking credit for someone else's idea. Either way, whatever!!
If you have some prized invention or creation, patent it! If you want to keep it a secret don't sell it!! If you are going to copy it give the due credit!!!
Community boards like this are geared towards the copy cat, for the most part. Yes, I know there are plenty of "Original" ideas here but are they truly original??? Most likely not with the excpetion of an extremely rare few.
In the bass fishing world there have only been 2 or 3 significant Originals that have changed the market place. The senko is one and the snap back titanium wire on Terminator Spinner Bait would be another. But Is the Terminator Spinnerbait an original design? NO! It is merely an improvement on an existing product. Is the Senko and original design? Nope!! Another improvement on a previous design, remember the french fry???
So the likelihood that someone building baits out of their garage or basement will become the next Strike King Lure Co. is extremely slim. And if by the grace of god someone does invent and patent the lastest and greatest fish catching lure and gets a million dollar contract to sell at Wal-Mart (i.e. Rad Lures), they will order so many pieces that you can not fulfill your contract and then BAM they own your patent. Should you avoid the breach of contract, guess what? It only takes a 10% change in the lure design to avoid patent infringment. A 10% Change!! That can be a hook hanger change, a minut change in body length/thickness, a carve or just about anything. And while you are buying 10's of thousands of dollars of equipment or out sourcing your prices go up and the next guy is making your lure (with the 10% change) and selling it at half the price.
So in short... Keep it a secret or get a patent. Give credit where credit is due if (or shoudl I say when) you copy. And get over it!!
We are all here for the same basic reason. To make our own baits and take pride in making them. We are here to share ideas and ask questions. We are here to help our comminuty members with problems they are having. We are not here to cry to mommy that our little brother is copying off of us. For a true example of community sharing check out the willingness of the soft plastic guys sharing color recipes. That is what sites like this are all about. People willing to share their ideas and let other benefit from it. If you are not willing to share or have some useful input then lock yourself in your work shop and stay off the boards. And the same goes for those taking credit for someone else's work. Fess up to it, say I got this idea from so and so but I have done this to suit my taste.
G:censored::censored:er!! I could go on and on but I will stop now. Sorry to have offended anyone. Just my 10cents...
Posted 06 February 2009 - 02:47 AM
I 100% agree to your statements !
It seems to me , as soon as money gets involved into the passion of luremaking , such attitudes like the one above are often put on display .
In Germany we almost don't have a market for custom made lures , native builders just do it for fun , to minor their expenses on tackle and/or to improve their fishing and catch rate .
Didn't ever come across such discussions on German luremaking sites:nuhuh: !
And why putting it out to the public , anyway:huh: ???????
Some years ago I wrote some pictured luremaking essays for a German angling magazine and one day I have received a request from someone , saying , that he wanted to buy some of a certain type of lure , a rather simple one made of metal tubing , that I have described in such a "How-To" essay .
That lure is supposed to skim along the surface at a fast pace to attract an European predatory fish named asp , but can also be used as a substitute for bottom jigging . It is quite hot for surface skimming targeting that particular fish .
It's head is cut at a certain angle and the line tie swivel is attached at the chin , at the shorter part of that angle .
Anyway , it went , that I sent some of these out to that person , got payed and forgot about it .
The next year , all the current tackle manufacturer's new catalogs just came out , I've found that very lure in one of these , so I guess , that this had to do with that lure request , since a similar lure never was to be found in any catalog before:nuhuh: !
But they haven't done a good job , since the angle and line tie at the head portion of the lure were positioned totally wrong , so that this lure could never work in it's supposed way !
Though I am not entirely sure about it , I still suspect , that these events are somehow connected , but I don't have any evidence !
Too suspicious to me to be accidental !
Anyway , in a nutshell , there is nothing , that I can do about it , because I have put this design out to the public , not to show my work , but to enable other fellow tinkerers to make their own versions for more successful fishing , never meant to assist the tackle industry for free:nuhuh: .
But public is public , and I should(and would) not complain:nuhuh: .
Needless to say , that this technically wrong knock-off in that catalog caused some gloating on me:) !
greetz , diemai
Edited by diemai, 06 February 2009 - 02:49 AM.
Posted 06 February 2009 - 08:18 AM
That was classic, and perfect.
I think it should be a permanent thread at the top with the tutorials.
And I think we should created the "Twisted Dick Jerker" award for those who make truly significant contributions to the forum.
For his insightful analysis of the current brouhaha, I nominate PAVABill for the first award!
Posted 06 February 2009 - 08:48 AM
I think it has to do with the fact that you can relate any bait to another within a 10% range...all of those baits look like squirrely phantoms which look like muskietreats, which look like...and this roundabout continues. How about the WTD topwaters?? Just a way of life when you're all trying to mimic the prey of a fish with the same materials.
Posted 06 February 2009 - 08:58 AM
Well said. I appreciate you taking the time to put everyone's focus back where it should be- helping our fellow lure builders to build better lures and catch more fish!
I second your nomination.
Posted 06 February 2009 - 10:03 AM
Herwin, you are not the first one that build a twisterjerk so what`s te problem? your jerks can be seen as copies also.
It is a bit weird you claim to be the 1st one thats designed it
Edited by Spike-A-Pike, 06 February 2009 - 03:57 PM.
Posted 06 February 2009 - 11:08 AM
Guys, please don't make this deal bigger then it is.
Herwin's twisterjerks are not the first ones on this planet and won't be the last, he knows this.
Dick did copy them exactly and this is where the twist lies.
I'm sure the guys will settle this by themselves from now.
There's certainly no need to chop off their heads.
Posted 06 February 2009 - 03:41 PM
Spot on, Paul!
Dick and I have talked things out, and we like each other again...