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Posted 11 April 2008 - 03:47 PM
Can we go ahead and change our name?
At this point, 13 out of the most recent 29 are epoxy topics.
Does anyone feel the same way about this topic?
Now I feel better.
Posted 11 April 2008 - 03:51 PM
Wait another three months and it will start all over again............
Posted 11 April 2008 - 05:00 PM
There was an epic debate on the board a couple years ago that got heated. No one wanted to discuss finishes for a while after that. It was on the old board so I can't search for it but it was good reading.
Posted 11 April 2008 - 05:34 PM
That is a little creepy... isn't epoxy is made from horses?? Makes you wonder what the source of all the out gassing REALLY is.
Okay, epoxy isn't made from horses; I was just going for the out gassing joke....
Posted 11 April 2008 - 06:37 PM
as i am still a newbie and do not have the knowledge of all the different epoxies out there, then thats why i ask. i will not ask if you ask me not too though. i guess i will have to go somewhere else.
Posted 11 April 2008 - 06:50 PM
So many of the questions in these recurrent topics go like so:
What will happen if I coat with this, or if I fill with that, or if I try something different?"
I believe we sometimes do a disservice to new lure-builders by hand-holding too much. Excessive handholding stifles innovation and creativity, and the 'luremaker's spirit' in general. If you want to try something a little different, for goodness sake, try it! and let us know how it works for you. If you have a problem, let us help. If you want to try something, just try it, and learn by doing.
That's the best way to progess in this craft. Most of these experiments aren't do-or-die anyway, and I see a lot of great new techniques being developed here by those that take the risks to learn something new. There's just no substitute for getting your hands dirty, and then hitting the water to test the results.
Posted 11 April 2008 - 07:29 PM
'EPooxy'-It's starting to mean Extremely Poxy for me lately. The last two top coats have finished in a disaster. This one wanted to swim on a piece of carpet on the w/shop floor, a couple of days ago, and I can't bring myself to sand it all off and start again - epoxy, it's all too much. pete
Posted 11 April 2008 - 07:33 PM
I am one of the new guys here, but im not new to tackle making. I also dont know anyone on this site well enough to point any fingers or make any accusations so this post is not dirrected at anyone in particular. But I love to flyfish and also put the fly rod away and use any and all other means of fishing. There is a flyfishing site on the internet that is in my opinion the best resourse for flyfishing/rodbuilding/flytying handsdown. But the Arrogant pompous attitude that generally goes along with a lot of flyfisherman runs rampant on that site. So much so that I wont even post on it anymore. I still use the resources and will recomend it to people but the attitude has just flat turned me away. One of the things I really like about this site is the people who want to share information and the talent of the people here. No one forces anyone to answeer the posts, yet someone usually comes along and answers. Should the new guys use the search function first and try to help themselves? Hell yeah. And I hope that they show enough respect to do it. But anyone that has ever visited any of these sites knows that the search is depedant on how things are worded and sometimes for whatever reasons just dont work. So questions just get asked over again. It happens, Oh well. If it pisses you off, Ignore it. Dont answer. Im sure either they will get the point or someone with more time or patience will come along and answer. But if I can save a new guys first paint job by telling him that epoxy is going to turn yellow on you or save the guy $10.00 and have him buy the right stuff the first time, then why not. A year from now we may be learning something from that new guy.
Posted 11 April 2008 - 08:49 PM
Yeah, I get "Epoxy, DN or Coating Incompatibility Fatigue Syndrome" but all said and done, I agree with MTFISHINGRODS. I do wish folks would use the search feature more. On the other hand, if I searched for one EPOXY tidbit, it might take days of reading though threads to find that golden BB. So the polite thing to do is answer the question if you know the answer, or at least point them in the right direction to get the answer from other posts, member submitted tutorials, etc.
Posted 11 April 2008 - 08:53 PM
Everyone understands that the search function generates a ton of results, and its hard to filter through them all. I don't think anyone would befront you if you looked and couldn't find an answer and posted a question.
HOWEVER, when, as Palmetto B pointed out, there are 13 recent topics all on epoxy, it makes one wonder:
1.) If they bothered to use the search function, and if they did, did they do more than just search "epoxy", see a ton of threads and decide it wasn't worth their time?
2.) Was their question completely off topic for all the other recent epoxy threads? If not, couldn't it be asked in an existing thread instead of having 13 different epoxy threads going on at once that only differ in minor details?
I still consider myself new, and sometimes you just want to post a question because you want to feel like you are "participating" in the forum. However, at the same time, this site and its archives are a resource, and numerous threads on similar topics make the forum much more inefficient as a resource. It actually exacerbates the problem that the new person was trying to avoid in the first place, i.e. the flood of search results. Its a vicious cycle, but I don't think its going to stop.
Edited by SmokeyJ, 11 April 2008 - 09:07 PM.
Posted 11 April 2008 - 09:09 PM
MT, I have to agree, just answer the questions.
Yes, the same old subjects do seem to rotate, 'which airbrush is best' should be comming around soon. But, every now and then, a new idea emerges on an old subject. The subjects are not 'old' to those seeking the answers. Most learning is done by casual reading of current threads and not just searching for specific answers, if this rotation did not happen, we would get far more devcon questions!
ps. Found this thread while searching for epoxy.
Edited by Vodkaman, 11 April 2008 - 09:12 PM.
Posted 11 April 2008 - 10:29 PM
I do occasionally flyfish, but I don't visit any online flyfishing sites, so I can't speak to the arrogance that may be found there. I certainly don't think there's room for arrogance, or people who get pissed-off easily here at TU.
I think most people who visit this site, use it as a resource. To most it's a place of learning, and that should be encouraged. Creativity should be encouraged; experimentation should be encouraged; new ideas should be encouraged. With my responses, and through sharing of knowledge, I try to increase the confidence of the questioner so they'll develop the ability to try new things-- and do things their own way.
My attitude may be in the minority, but I strongly believe that fostering an appreciation for experimentation benefits the luremaker, as well as the fisherman. I've seen the results, and will continue to suggest that if a newbie thinks they have a good idea-- they should go ahead and try it.
Just one man's opinion, nothing but love.
Edited by sagacious, 11 April 2008 - 10:30 PM.
Posted 11 April 2008 - 10:36 PM
Hey guys.....Which airbrush is best?....only kidding...........
I do however have a real question. I have been debating between getting a scroll saw and a band saw. I can only fit one in my little walk-in-closet sized work area. Both saws that I have been looking at are table top models. The Scroll saw is a Ryobi 16" and the band saw is a 9" Ryobi. What would be better for cutting flat sided lures about 6" long from 3/4" oak planks? I have no experience with either type saw. I have cut this oak with my jig saw while clamped to the table and it isnt fun. Real noisy too..........
By the way.............I have used the search function to research this and found some good discussions about this topic but havent found one that seals the deal for me in my mind.
Posted 11 April 2008 - 10:51 PM
One of those topics was started by me. I searched "createx envirotex" and got no answers to the question I posed, try it and see if you get an answer. I agree with MTfishingrods completely, I signed up on this site to learn, not to be belittled. I try to learn from other peoples mistakes. Should I waste $20 on clear and a few hours on a lure only to find they are incompatable when if I asked a simple question about it on a website someone who has already made that mistake could have warned me in a few keystrokes? Is that what this site is for or is it just to show off your lures? If you don't like the questions all you have to do is skip over them, but don't worry, you'll never see me ask another "stupid" question. Maybe I'm beating a dead horse but some of you need knocked off your high horse.
Posted 11 April 2008 - 10:52 PM
I love it. How much glue can we get from a dead horse now days. Hay is outrages these days...
Posted 11 April 2008 - 10:58 PM
I think if you are cutting oak, then you should go with the band saw. I have a Scroll Saw and it works great for Balsa, Paulownia, and other light woods. I tried to cut Pinewood Derby cars with the Scroll Saw and it was slow going. The blade is not strong enough for the denser woods or thick pieces. The blade on a Scroll Saw will flex and give uneven cuts (even if it is only 3/4 oak).
Invest in the Band Saw.
Disclaimer... I own a Scroll Saw and have never owned a Band Saw. I did use a friends Band Saw to finish the Pinewoods, and that was what I needed. I think I get better detail, and finer cuts in my Balsa and Paulownia with the Scroll Saw but it won't do the job on the hard stuff.
Edited by Palmetto Balsa, 11 April 2008 - 11:03 PM.