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Posted 11 April 2008 - 11:03 PM
Whoa guys. No ones on a high horse around here. My post was not pointing fingers at anyone. No ones feelings need to be hurt new or old members. I know how the new guys feel, I know how the senior members feel. I was just trying to offer some insight on how to maybe keep some peece among all. I have been on many sides of the issue from owning internet bulleting boards to being admin moderators senior members and now little ol new guy. New guys need to realize theres a whole lot more that goes on that you dont see, so you need to appreciate what is here. And try your hardest to follow the general guidelines and understand theres a reason for them. It is a lot of work trying to keep these boards cleaned up, organized and on the right track when you get post in the wrong forums or hijacking threads or a person who is to lazy to try to figure something out and just wants a quick fix. Bottom line is we all need respect for each other. If that is shown Everyone will enjoy it here. And just to make it clear again. I have not seen any disrespect. I was just wanting to point out my experience on other boards because of the enjoyment and the talent I see on this one. I wouldnt want to see this go down the same path.
Posted 11 April 2008 - 11:18 PM
Most of the forums have one or two questions that never seem to go away. Some of the common ones are Plaster of Paris, fluid beds, powder paints, epoxy, airbrushes, what kind of wood, etc.,
I have noticed several on Tackleunderground who always seem to field the questions, always offer a complete, logical, and thoughtful answers. I recently read an answer on the Hardbait forum that answered a wide range of questions, so I grabbed it up, did a few minor style and formating changes, converted it into a PDF file, notified the author that I was placing his post into the Members Submitted Tutorial forum, is that ok, and please make sure it meets your technical requirements. The members of Tackleunderground got lucky because fatfingers said that was okay with him. I think of him as a mentor in addition to being a skilled craftsman.
If you think that it's always the same old questions all the time, why not check to see if there is a good tutorial that answers the majority of the questions you see for that subject? Adding
Trying to Achieve a Flawless Finish as a MST should cover a wide range of questions.
As new members join and you welcome them on board, why not take it upon yourself to have them check the FAQ section (and even if you've been here a while, you might want to read it to find out what the new TU upgrades are) and direct them to the MSTs. The How-To button on the menu bar going across the top of the pages was a new guys idea; he couldn't find the tutorials and wanted help... and how many other new guys has it helped???
If you can think of a subject that is dated or lacking, why not leave your mark on the world and leave a piece of yourself by developing a tutorial. If you need a little help, just ask. The worst that can happen is you won't know what to talk about with all the crystal clarity created.
Edited by Spike-A-Pike, 11 April 2008 - 11:24 PM.
Posted 12 April 2008 - 01:17 AM
IM A D D !!! Ask me any question.. I will forget you asked me in about 30 seconds... what are we talkin about again!!
Posted 12 April 2008 - 01:20 AM
Well here's my two penneth. I dont have a problem with someone diving in and asking a question that has been asked a hundred times before because to that person it is the first time it has been asked. Everyone should have their hand held for a while and we should be prepared to do that because everyone starts somewhere and may well be struggling, I still struggle with epoxy. If needed a disclaimer could be put into the registration process which could read "if you want to ask questions about Epoxy, createx, airbrushes, sealants or finishes go elswhere we are fed up of you newbies and your boring questions :yawn:".
If that happened I would leave myself. I say this, bring on the questions and bring on the answers as well no matter how many times they have been asked, do not make people feel bad about using the board because after all it is a public forum and should not become a closed shop for the chosen few. Folk will pick it all up in due course and hopefully become a regular and respected member of the TU, shoot em down with their first posting and you may never know what that person is capable of. You will never get perfect postings all the time and on occasions there will be a gem of a reply withih the 'Epoxy' question.
I try everthing, I dive in feet first and give it a bash but if I come unstuck I would hate to think I could not ask for first hand advice about that specific problem just because it involved epoxy or one of the other frequently asked.
Posted 12 April 2008 - 02:44 AM
Haven't we all posted questions that have been discussed before??
Yeah, I guess so.
I've been reading on this forum lots of old threads before I even started to build a bait. I like to do some good research before I start something. On the contrary there are people that just start building and then come up with questions they need a quick answer to. Is that a problem? Not for me. Just like said before, sometimes the most common questions lead to new ideas and that is what we all should like. If ones question is not answered that person will use the search button in the end.
The many questions about epoxies and finishes is an indication on how many people struggle with clearcoating and how important it is to the most of us.
Posted 12 April 2008 - 03:07 AM
I agree with Palmetto. I have a bandsaw and a table top jig saw. The Band saw is much better for a hard wood such as oak. Good luck and watch your fingers.
Edited by Tony Maxwell, 12 April 2008 - 03:09 AM.
Posted 12 April 2008 - 07:52 AM
Many years ago, my top coat was Spar Varnish. It dried in hours and gave a great finish. If it wasn't for it's yellowish tint, I'd still use it!!
Posted 12 April 2008 - 08:04 AM
Awsome post!!!!!! Most people on here are great but there are more than a few #####s. If you don't like a post IGNORE it. If something I knew could save a guy some money I'm more than happy to help out. If you've got plenty of money to try everything than good for you, some of us do not. The search function should always be used first but it doesn't always get you the info you are looking for.
Posted 12 April 2008 - 08:35 AM
Whoa there. No one was accusing anyone in particular. And like you said, you searched, and didn't find what you were looking for. No harm in that. Its just an internet forum, there is no need to get all worked up just because someone was venting frustration over reading about epoxy over and over. No one is upset with the people asking the questions.
This may be a bad analogy, but its kind of like a guy who works in IT who gets 20 phonecalls in the same day asking the same question. He's not ticked off at the person asking the question, he's just frustrated that he is answering the same question over and over.
We all know the search function is a bear on here, and I don't think there is anything the admins can really do about it. So, the same questions will come up, and people will answer them because this really is a great community, and occassionally one of the old guard will vent their frustration over a situation that doesn't have an easy solution (other than just answer the questions). Thats all it is, venting, and its not directed at the people asking the questions because everyone was new here once.
Posted 12 April 2008 - 08:48 AM
How about a 'sticky index' with headings like; Top Coats & problems - Screw Eyes - Properties of Paints - Lip Templates - Weighting Baits, bla bla. Inside each category could the initial Thread Title be put here, with a link to all the posts on that thread???
With 6800 members and probably 2 new members a day, there is bound to be some repetition of questions and it's only going to get worse.
I know from experience, looking after a thousand people, you can email, post on a web portal, text message them and they will still ask questions on things that, if they would only take the time to read, they would realize, it has been there all the time, staring them in the face.
Maybe it just has to be made easier, rather than looking for a word to fit a problem, we list the problem and add the solution.
As always it's easy sitting here typing, and not having to do all the categorization. pete
NOW, there is only 10 DAYS to GO ! !
Posted 12 April 2008 - 08:57 AM
Every forum I visit goes through the same thing. You can make all the tutorials and stickys but people don't want to READ. They want to be spoon fed.
Posted 12 April 2008 - 09:12 AM
I am heading Home Depot today..............Hopefully I will be coming back with a saw..............I have made about 10 lures in the past few weeks and am definitely hooked.
Posted 12 April 2008 - 09:21 AM
Is epoxy flexible enough for use on a whipping cane? Is varnish better? Will it yellow?
Is there some humane society regulation regarding what kind of finish can be used?
So many questions, so little time!
Enough is enough. Let's get back to fun, talking lure const. in whatever form we like, and asking whatever questions we need answers for.
That's what makes this site shine.
Posted 12 April 2008 - 01:04 PM
For what it is worth, my epoxy top coats got a lot better this year as a direct result of these discussions. I learned somethign on a topic that has a lot of finesse involved. I don't mind learning and sharing.
Tutorials are great but they are directed towards a single person's technique. By readign through these threads, you can pick up little tricks and methods that can improve your work. Trial and error is fine, but the purpose of these forums is to share and learn faster is it not?
Posted 12 April 2008 - 01:50 PM
That was my understanding.
Posted 12 April 2008 - 02:56 PM
Whoa buddy! Hold on there, PhilB. Nobody said anything about "don't ask boring questions", or "newbies should go elsewhere". I know I sure didn't, so let's not suggest that I did.
When I can shed some light on a topic, I try to answer questions thoroughly, and conscientiously. Look through my posting history and you'll see just that. All I said was,
I believe in that philosophy. The new folks are going to ask questions, and I field my share of those questions-- and never consider it a waste of time, or a boring exercise.
I'd prefer we all stay friends here, and not let this discussion get too bent outta shape.
Posted 12 April 2008 - 03:47 PM
There are as many different learning methods as there are people in the world. Is any one way better than the rest - Not really. Studies on learning show that if you can appeal to the more than one sense and make it enjoyable, it will be better retained.
When you stop and realize that the more different ways a lesson in taught, the more likely to internalize the information in your own words. The whole objective of most training is behavior modification or knowledge transfer. Task criticality is a key factor in determining the best method of training... someone on a bomb squad or preforming surgery, those tasks need to preformed 100% prefect the very first time and every time.
Isn't tackle making supposed to fun and relaxing? Most of the time it is. If your willing to work and apply yourself, you'll get a basic idea of what or how something works, but it's going to take time the acquire the touch, gain a feel, develop the eye, or just get some experience. Put it into simple terms, learning is the process of going from the known to the unknown.
We all have a common interest in tackle crafting, just different levels of abilities. If you're finding yourself getting stressed out, it may be time to check what's happening in other forums. You'd surprised how much you can learn around here that will have a positive effect on your fishing or tackle making.
Tight Lines everyone and have a nice day.
Edited by Spike-A-Pike, 12 April 2008 - 03:50 PM.
Posted 12 April 2008 - 04:24 PM
How about a new idea. If you are tired of answering the same old post, don't answer it. If people are tired of reading the same old questions on a website for asking and answering questions you need to get off the computer and spend more time making baits.
Posted 12 April 2008 - 05:07 PM
now this is interesting, let's get realistic, you don't use the search function...OK, but , you enter on the "hard baits" topics and you see 5-7-11-13 topics about epoxy, why bother to read them? you skip this phase, click the "new topic" button , put "Another epoxy question" or "Another Devcon2ton question" and ask a question that was posted 1 hour ago. Is this the way to learn from others? If you are in such rush , why don't you try to see what happens if you use that epoxy? I understand that some questions were never asked or they are so oldies that you can't find them, but if you see an epoxy question ( for example ) why don't you put your question there? Than if someone else comes and reads that topic , it will find answers to different problems related to that product. Oh, no!!! I forgot, that "someone else" won't read the topic , it will create "Another epoxy question" topic
Edited by pikeman, 12 April 2008 - 05:11 PM.
Posted 12 April 2008 - 07:12 PM
In defense of the new guys that ask the same basic questions, on epoxy and so on ,they see the amazing work that all the people do here. Its like a student asking the teacher for some help. I see nothing wrong trying to help a new guy out and save him or her a lot of time and a lot of money. Time is a valueble thing and some people just dont have any to spare. Maybe the new guy works 12 hours a day plus being a full time dad or mom and is looking for some help because they have no time for the old school of life like I went through, trial and error. You guys here are some of the best Ive seen and looking at your work for a new guy or a guy like me who has been turning baits for years makes you wonder how? Everybody will agree that lure building is theropy for all of us and lets make this group theropy.