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Posted 12 April 2008 - 08:48 PM
:Dnow thats funny
The horse was gonna chime in on this thread.
Posted 12 April 2008 - 08:49 PM
always ask . you will learn the hard way if you dont ask.an yes your right about time we dont have lot of it .i bet we all ask some dum ? from one time or another . i am earth mover four about 40 years an i still ask ? .
Posted 12 April 2008 - 10:12 PM
I think the problem is that many of us believe lure making is a learned skill. It something that an individual learns by doing, bottom line. Be leary of anyone that has it figured without spending the time in the shop. Some learn quicker than others, many make cranks in no time and will even sell some but these are the same guys that 5 years from now won't be around because they never really lurned how to make a solid lure.
Many are willing to help guide someone down the right direction but usually only when someone seems to have attempted to do so first and doesn't come off as some guy wanting to make a quick buck on Ebay selling a "custom" lure. We were all newbies at some point you bet, but many of spend most of our time out in the shop making lures and testing them out to find out how bad we screwed up, a huge part of it is figuring it out on your own. If one won't spend the time in the shop at least take the time to scroll thru the posts. I can't count the hours I spent reading through posts. The I want it now concept doesn't fly with many guys. Honestly most have spilt their guts on the easy stuff devcon, poly, probinate, bills, wood, sealers, airbrush, etc.... all one has to do is read a little.
Posted 13 April 2008 - 12:00 AM
If somebody posts a repetative question or remark, and it really annoys you, just think......did anyone ask me my opinion? Maybe this person is learning how to use these boards. We don't know age, education, background. People throwing out answers, or directing them to the search function......Is a positive thing. Just saying. This place is great place to hangout. Thank-You
Posted 13 April 2008 - 12:57 AM
Amazing... 33 members have added a comment to this thread in just a little over 24 hours.
I was not trying to point fingers or stifle questions on the site and I hope the new members will keep asking questions. I do hope at some point the ones that want to get to the finish line so fast will take a little time to relax and enjoy the hobby.
I might be the only one that views our obsession this way but here is a few reasons I do what I do.
I have loved fishing and tackle since I was little, 3, 4, 5 years old, I don't remember when it started. I used to sit in my Granddads basement and look in his 2 tackle boxes for hours on end. Looking back, his lures were not that amazing, but something about it drew me in. I think the looking and playing with tackle was a way to pass the time till we could go fishing again. Putting these simple thoughts down has brought back so many memories. I now have all the tackle I could ever use and I want more (not more tackle). This hobby has given me that. Lure building has given me a new outlet to dream about fishing. I can carry it with me any where I go. With a wife and children, I need something to pass the time till I can go fishing again. I have found it, making baits. I like ever part of lure building. The relaxation, learning, testing, experimenting, tinkering, destroying, shaping, exploring, and sharing thoughts with others that have similar interest. Tackleunderground has given me that outlet. I spend about 12 hours out of every day thinking about fishing related things. I only have one friend that has admitted that he feels the same but it is good to know I am not alone.
BTW, the dead horse image was an afterthought.
How about if we turn this thread into a why we do what we do, and what we get out of it (or what we hope to get out of it).
Behind every great lure maker is a box full of toxic firewood. Mine is not full yet.
Posted 13 April 2008 - 01:44 AM
Well said, however, I dont see a need to change the course of discussion.
Threads like these are helpful to me to help understand & better suit TU to be functional for everyone.
We will soon have more search options & with Bruce's help, the Tutorial section is growing tremendously.
If anyone has suggestions, lay it on me.
Posted 13 April 2008 - 01:54 AM
This thread made me think of when I first came to this site(03) and the questions I asked...repetitive i'm sure but there were alot of guy's who still answered my questions Lincoya,Coley,Skeeter,Dtrs5Kprs,Blackjack,Hughsey,Dean Mclain and Riverman to name a few(thank all of you) While it does seem the same post Plaster of Paris up in cycles I still read everyone of them, reason being it seems that everybody who tinkers in this craft are continually evolving and you always seem to pick something new up or maybe give you a different perspective or idea(1,000 ways to skin a cat). At times I've left this site for various reasons but have always returned to read some of the same type post but with newer and well thought out answers fom someone elses perspective that has helped me also:)
I'm right there with you Palmetto from pouring blade baits,jigs,cranks or whatever if I cant be on the water this is my 2nd choice:teef:
Posted 13 April 2008 - 02:53 AM
"I spend about 12 hours out of every day thinking about fishing related things."
I envy you for that, Palmetto. I can spend only about 10 hours a day to this end
Speaking about epoxy, I remember having answered a question about Devcon epoxy, on the time when I did not even once used it, based on the repetitive answers about Devcon, from those who have experience with it.
Posted 13 April 2008 - 12:59 PM
There are cycles to lure building. All of us are in one or another. If you are reading this thread, you were once a beginner and asked one of those many questions...questions you now consider elementary.
I often send emails and pms answering some of the questions, which receive the classic impatient retort, "Do a search!" In the process, I've learned a lot...yes, learned a lot, by answering the questions. Most importantly, I've made a lot of great friends along the way.
If you don't have the patience or the time, you do no harm by simply allowing the elementary questions to slide right past you in the course of a day.
And think about this...the repetitive questions usually concerns the critical aspects of this hobby such as which airbrush to purchase or the application of that sticky, nasty, temperamental stuff called epoxy.
Once there was a time, when you knew nothing about an airbrush. They are not cheap, are they? Who wants to buy the wrong one for this hobby? Who wouldn't want to rely on the experience of those currently posting beautiful baits?
Epoxy is something that few of us use with regularity in our normal daily lives and the newbie is faced with the daunting task of spreading this goo over his pride and joy in the form of a bait. Is it any wonder the questions Plaster of Paris up almost daily?
Yea, the search can do great things, but even the use of a search function requires something of a learning curve and there are degrees of computer familiarity and sophistication along with the fact that this is an international forum with English being the second language for some of our members.
Somebody, somewhere along the way, helped you once. They were patient with your elementary questions. If each of us helps a few new guys with those common basic questions, we all win.
While we're on the subject...which is better...Devcon or Envirotec Lite?
Posted 13 April 2008 - 09:06 PM
My comments were not a Plaster of Paris at you it's just that your quote got caught up in a general reply to the underlying sentiment of the thread. My apologies to you and I'll be more carefull when quoting in future. I think I maybe went off on a tangent whilst typing my reply , what I meant to say was if someone want's to seek advice before they try they should be able to ask and everyone should be prepared to answer without prejudice. As it happens I myself do exactly as you suggested and try before asking.
Posted 14 April 2008 - 12:11 AM
PhilB, no worries-- I know that sometimes it's just a reaction to type out what one's thinking and hit: submit. No offense taken.
For the record, and for anyone new to tacklemaking: I encourage questions. I often ask questions, even about topics I'm well-versed in, so I can learn the latest trends...... and maybe even pick up some new info. This is just one of the ways people learn.
But people also learn by doing. I'm not saying not to ask a question before trying something, I'm just saying don't be afraid to try something new. To me at least, there's a huge gulf of difference between those two concepts.
Asking questions is good.
Trying new things is also good.
I don't see the conflict-- as in my world, both things work together to further my abilities and enjoyment as a luremaker and as a fisherman.
Cheers, and good fishing!
Posted 14 April 2008 - 05:41 AM
I use the search once in a while but who has hours of time looking for that one key thing your looking for ?
The search function is hard to use because of this.
I hate posting my question in someone Else's post because like me if I am not interested in what is being discussed and I do not read anymore of it or never open that thread again and then someone comes and steals on the post I will never read it and the person with the answer will never see it.
Usually their is only a few that will answer questions on a certain thing,
Look here at this thread, WOW 6 pgs and it is all drama stuff, a place for some to complain.
One of the 13 posts was mine, and it never got a answer, you cannot tell me no one has tried the 2 top coats together.
Look at the band saw/ scroll saw question in here, when the next guy looking for that info do you think by using the search function he is going to find the answers that were given ?
I do not know if key items were categorized would help but it might be a start.
We all want to make the best and trial and error sucks.
This post will make some not want to ask questions and that is not right.
I am not pointing fingers at anyone here so please do not take it that way.
But for those that put up with the questions being asked all the time and answer them time and time again you guy's rock and people will look up to you.
Tons of guy's here that have the answers here but do not want to give them up because they may think that there stuff is the shizzle, or it is my little secret ?
I hate posting and answering because I am not good at putting words correctly, I failed English.
Posted 14 April 2008 - 10:56 AM
Predator, thinking about your epoxy + DN question, I think the logical thing would be to use a coat of epoxy, lightly sand it to remove gloss, then apply the DN. DN is very tough, slick and glossy. It's what I'd want on the outside of the bait for appearance and to ward off hook rash. I see zero advantage in using DN first and there could be be possible adhesion problems with the DN solvents. The epoxy levels nicely, covers any boo-boos, gives visual depth to the finish and is mostly chemically inert when cured. It should be a good base for the DN. I haven't tried it myself though.
Posted 14 April 2008 - 11:26 AM
Wow, what a can of worms. As a relatively new guy, I would like to take this time to add my .02. "Do a search" is used on almost all sites I have visited. I guess there is a time and place for such a response, but this type answer really puts me off. On one such forum, which shall remain anon. , I asked about rigging a specific bait. ( one I had just heard of and was not at all familiar with ) I got several responses to my post. All of them were in essense, " this had been answered so many times, you need to use the search option to find it" . Well, this embarrsed me and I went to the search, nothing showed up. Read ALL 157 pages of site, still did not find one single item that even came close to an answer.
My point is that that site is filled with arrogant butts. That is why I visit this site exclusively. I can always find answers to my problems here from some one of the fine folks here. People on this site will and do go to extremes to help guys like me who don't know a lot. I have learned TONS of stuff here and know I will continue to learn. My phylosophy is that when I log on and see a question that has been asked, and asked, and asked some more that I may skip that post. However, sometimes in reading a new post about an old question, VOILA, I find something new. OK, not always, but sometimes. If I had been met with "do a search" as the only answer to one of my first questions, I may have left and not come back. But thanks to those who have answered my questions and kept me hanging around. There is no limit to what can be learned here and I hope there never is.
I would also like to add, remember, no matter how old, experienced you are you will never know all there is to know about this hobby/profession. And for some of us it is only a hobby.
This post puts me in mind of the one not long ago about "takers" vs. "givers". Didn't much care for it. Gives people new to this site a bad taste.
Posted 14 April 2008 - 07:20 PM
Here is something to think about.. what if someone wanted an answer to an epoxy question and he did his search and did not find out the specifics he was looking for? Now, lets just say that one of the members had his answer but was a newer member and had not participated in those posts he had searched.
Now he decides to ask the epoxy question in a new post knowing there had been a lot of posts on epoxy before. Suddenly the new member that had the answer reads the post and gives him the information he has been hunting for but has failed to find in the old ones.
Now he has his answer, but he had to make a new epoxy post to get it.
What is wrong with that? Just goes to show all the answers have not already been posted.
Posted 14 April 2008 - 10:52 PM
Does anyone know how to get epoxy off your keyboard? This post is getting so long I had to move my paint room into the house to keep up with it and got epoxy on my keyboard!!!!!!!! lol.........Sorry about using the E word.........
Posted 15 April 2008 - 12:18 AM
Predator Bass Baits!!
Hey Jim, I did answer your question in a post I made in another thread, when you were asking about topcoats, and I was responding directly to you; I just didn't answer it in the thread where you posted the question. I believe my answer was something to the effect of, "And yes, Dicknite's topcat is compatible with epoxies."
I know it was mentioned more than once in the previous pages that some people don't have much time to search for the answers they're seeking. But I suppose it is okay for someone whose time is less important, to answer a question requiring a 250 word answer. I'm merely saying that it is fairly presumptuous to ask someone else to spend time answering them, because they don't have the time to see if there is already an easily found answer to their question. And most assuredly, the answers are always a lot longer than the questions. Many lure builders from all over the world have contributed to a remarkable knowledge base here at TU, and spent a lot of expertise, thought, and many hours in doing so . It is discourteous to come here and blatantly refuse to research it, while demanding answers to questions easily answered by it. I'm only saying that courtesy is a two way street.
Posted 15 April 2008 - 05:00 AM
Thanks Bob, I am coating with epoxy first then second coat of DN now, I really like the way the gloss looks rather then just doing DN.
What is the reason for sanding epoxy ?
This post should be on the subject itself so others may see it but then again not many use the search correctly including myself. LOL
Edited by Predator Bass Baits, 15 April 2008 - 05:13 AM.
Posted 15 April 2008 - 05:11 AM
Well I do usually try and search first, hate to look like a dummy but like stated unless you hit the correct KEY words you could be reading allot and still not get the answers.
You have always seemed to add your thoughts and I appreciate that so I hope you did not mean I was discourteous.