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Posted 14 April 2008 - 05:02 PM
I am buying an iwata airbrush from merriartist.com and i cant decide on an the airbrush i am going to buy. The hi-line hp-ch or the hpc plus, the hi-line has the mac valve but that looks like it would be really hard to understand
Posted 14 April 2008 - 08:25 PM
Heres what Tackle Making .com says.
TackleMaking.com - Airbrush Buying Guide for Lure Makers
Posted 14 April 2008 - 09:04 PM
I have the hi line hp-ch. The valve on it helped me learn the art alot faster than any other could provide, in my mind. The control you have with out veteran experience is incredible. I have not used the plus, but will not traid my hp-ch for any other brush. Good luck and I think you have a hard choice for you. Easy choice for me!
Posted 14 April 2008 - 09:22 PM
There is no one brush that will do it all, but if you can spend the money you can get close. The Custom Micron cmc plus is about as perfect as it gets. I have been airbrushing for years and have owned just about every make of gun out there. Nothing even comes close to this gun. We own 8 Iwata brushes and they are all good, but the two Custom Microns get the most use. They also have the MAC valve, and really it is not hard to understand it just gives you more control. They are super easy to clean, easy to adjust, easy to change colors and will definitely make you better. I saw one for $315 on ebay which is better than the $365 price anywhere else. JMHO
Edited by rjbass, 14 April 2008 - 09:24 PM.
Posted 14 April 2008 - 11:44 PM
I have the HPC plus, and had never airbrushed before, and I was able to paint almost immediately.
I leave the main air pressure at 36-40psi, and use the needle flow control in the handle that regulates how much the needle valve is opened to adjust my paint flow, and to let me do finer lines.
I am not an artist, and I'm not a very good painter, but my Iwata lets me paint my lures well enough to fool the fish, and make me happy.
Posted 15 April 2008 - 07:57 AM
It's really about what you want to get out of it I've found. If you just want to paint lures and catch fish then I've seen people use $25 siphon feeds or heck even cans and get great results. If you want to paint as a hobby and possibly a business, then it's good to go ahead and get a nice gun and learn on it. Get used to it...how it feels, how it sprays, it's little tricks and secrets. Good luck with whatever you go with!
Posted 15 April 2008 - 12:55 PM
The MAC valve on Iwata brushes is easy to understand. You twist it to vary the air pressure released into the brush. More detail requires lower pressure. MAC is just a convenience. You can also control pressure with a $15-20 valve connected to your compressor. The convenience comes by having the control immediately at hand on the brush instead of having to reach over to your compressor to change pressure settings. Since my compressor sits on the bench beside the painting area, that isn't much of an advantage. In fact, I like to see a pressure reading as I adjust it so it's more convenient for me to have that control on the compressor, right beside the pressure gauge also mounted there.
Posted 15 April 2008 - 09:07 PM
How is the MAC valve different in practice from the needle adjusting feature on the back of my Iwata?
I'm not trying to be argumentative, I'm really just trying to figure out if I should get off my duff and move my regulator closer to my brush, so I can fiddle with the pressure when I paint, instead of the paint needle.
P.S. Isn't it fun when you write a post, use spellcheck, and it comes up no spelling errors? Almost like making a bait that works......NOT!
Posted 15 April 2008 - 09:19 PM
Iwata HP-BCS .50 mm tip. that is what I use. I dont like my expensive gun.. I used it 2 twice and put it back in the fancy case it came in.. but I might actually take RJ advice and check out the Micron... Since he has 8 Iwata.. and found something better... Thanks RJ.. NOW IM GOING TO SPEND 350 more DOLLARS!!! will I ever see a PROFIT!!!
Posted 15 April 2008 - 10:27 PM
I have accepted the fact that there is no end to it......
Posted 16 April 2008 - 03:41 PM
Mark, that needle thingy on the back of an HP+ limits the amount of needle travel and hence the amount of paint fed into the mix chamber. An Iwata MAC valve limits the air pressure/volume. MY HP+ doesn't have a MAC so I turn down the pressure at the compressor when I want smaller lines (can't call them fine!) or fine shading. I suppose delicate control of downward trigger push has the same effect but my fine motor skills don't stretch that far.
Posted 17 April 2008 - 10:41 AM
I second that...
Posted 19 April 2008 - 10:38 PM
I'll give my own experiences with using the MAC valve. I don't know how I lived without it now that I've used it for the past couple of years. It makes it so much easier to dial in just the right pressure to not only get fine details but also just to atomize the paint perfectly.
I run my regulator pressure higher than I would normally and then dial the pressure down for painting. When it comes time to clean out the airbrush, I simply crank the MAC valve wide open and blast all the paint and crud out of the brush with the high pressure.
Another great use of the MAC valve that I do is it is awesome for dialing down the pressure so that the paint just spits out when you rock the trigger back and forth. This creates all the tiny dots you see on some of my baits. The dots are commonly known as "stipple" and just by tweaking the MAC valve slightly you can get larger or smaller dots.
That alone makes it worth the money for me. Having to change the regulator all the time is a pain and having access to the air pressure right at my finger tips makes my airbrushes far more user friendly.
Edited by Snax, 19 April 2008 - 10:39 PM.
Posted 20 April 2008 - 02:53 AM
I to had the same question about 5 months ago...anyway I went with the hi-line(w/mac) HP-C, now that I did it was worth the extra 30 dollars I spent over the non-mac gun. Go ahead and get it you'll be glad you did and it's not a complicated feature.The features SNAX mentioned are dead on:wink:
Posted 20 April 2008 - 06:32 AM
This is what I use, I suppose it is an Iwata copy; it’s made in China and cost $36 NEW, on fleebay. I have had it for about 9 months now and had no trouble with it. I pulled it completely apart yesterday, for a good clean, and found it breaks right down to past the tip holder, so is the easiest brush I have ever had to do a spring clean on(I have 4 including a Iwata HP). It is a .2mm model ( thought it was .3) and I have sprayed a little thinner based lacquer (Propionate) through it, with no ill affects yet!!. I does not have a ceramic seal on the needle, so this may be a problem in the future.
All the air/paint adjustments are really handy, compared to a standard brush, and the needle stop, with a bit of ‘souping’ up is a great feature. The only drama I have had with it, is a bent needle, which straightened O.K, it was my fault. I tried to fit the Iwata tip in it when I had it apart, and found they even use the same threads, so all in all I’m impressed- !!
For the price, compared to Iwata Hp Plus @ $294 here, I can buy about 9 of these. Saying all this, if I was doing commercial lures I would spend the money on the Iwata. pete
Edited by hazmail, 20 April 2008 - 06:36 AM.
Posted 23 April 2008 - 03:33 AM
Mark I think this is it if you run a search on ebay:
Air Pro PS900 Dual Action MAC Airbrush Gun Kit Art NEW!
Edited by VMAXX, 23 April 2008 - 03:39 AM.
Posted 23 April 2008 - 08:50 AM
The Custom Micron CM-C Plus is a precision tool, sort of like a cell phone. You could function without one, but you'd never hit your true potential.
It comes down to how seriously you want to approach this hobby and how far you want to go with it.
Can you "get by" without one or one just like it? Yep. But you could say the same about a drying wheel, the number of colors you paint with, the use of epoxy, and a whole range of things we commonly use to build a quality bait that is not only productive but also esthetically pleasing to use.