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Posted 31 August 2008 - 12:21 PM
You led my attention on this design , it is something , that I've been looking for since a long time:yes: :
A reasonably small lure , that can dive quite deep:yay: !
I know , it sounds a bit like ballyhooing , since I have only made this one so far and never even caught with it , but I am certain , that this design has potential for making more and also a bit smaller lures to meet my fishing demands:yes: .
Greetz , Dieter
Posted 01 September 2008 - 04:31 PM
this is the first time I see somebody build this kind of lures with enthusiasm...I like banana style lures very much...maybe because I started building lures with this style of bait! This is a forgotten lure...in germany.
As one can see there is a lot of interest in banana lures...it is really a special thing to model the sexy shape of a banana lure with wood!
Here some of my very old lures...I should start building some of them again :-)
Posted 01 September 2008 - 04:38 PM
And another two pics I found...
P.s. it's interesting that you also found a limit in size...
The only thing that I build different is, that I use a wire through system instead of the separated lure eye system you use.
Posted 01 September 2008 - 05:57 PM
Hi , Manu
Very nice and beautiful "Bananas" you've got there , their shape is a bit different to my lures , yours are kept a lot slimmer in shape , but I guess that their swimming actions would be quite alike:yes: !
I only wonder , how you've rigged in the internal wire harness , into a slot at the belly or you even glued two halves together with the harness inbetween:? ?
No matter which way , seems to be quite finacky , but well worth the effort !
Happy to hear that you share my enthusiasm about this old lure-style , with their smooth body curves there really must be a kind of erotic issue involved , indeed !
But I guess , that I came to like them a lot , since many years ago on my first prototype I have caught some pretty nice pike within a few days , something , that any angler would always remember !
Kinda funny writing in English to a fellow German countryman , but well , this an American site:yes: !
Greetz , Dieter
Posted 02 September 2008 - 03:45 AM
Yes it's kind of funny, but that's what makes this site so interesting with lurebuilders from all around the world ...and sometimes from the same little spot on the planet.
Your words in my mouth...I caught my best pike until now on my first banana style lure :-) and had some days with lots of strikes too...hm maybe I should fish again more frequently with them :-)
I just made a fast picture how I build the wire through construction...I flex a slot into the lure belly with a cutting disc on a dremel. The hint is to cut through the diving lip until the position of the front lure eye. The rest of the lure gets just a slot (not cut through). Then you are able to bend the wire and pass it into the lure. Then I seal the whole thing with 5 min epoxy again...works very good.
Many of my bananas are indeed more slim and have a very oval belly cross section. But bananas have a unique swimming action compared to other lures...I think this is one reason why they are that successful in waters with lots of fishing pressure...
The second picture I attached shows THE lure...the first banana that caught my best pike many years ago :-) very simple lure, but big results...
Posted 02 September 2008 - 05:35 AM
Hi , Manu
Thanks for that sketch , I will surely try out to build one(or more) after your design and method , I'm curious about them !
You don't add any additional weights ?
I have made a few "ordinary" crankbaits this way , when epoxying the wire harness into the belly slot I have just glued in some small stripes of 1,0 mm roofing lead sheet into the slot as well (first harness , after lead !) .
The problem about this is , that you won't know the best weight size and location in advance , so it really is a matter of experience !
On my style of "Banana" lures I have found , that one or two small lead shots ahead of belly hook hanger or even under the lip enhance the stability and steady frequency of wobble:yes: .
Your first one already has some "scars of honor" , wish , I could find mine in one of my boxes down the basement so I could show you as well !
It looks similar to yours in terms of wear , anyway !
I remember that I had to replace one of its decal eyes already , since one pike has peeled it off:lol: !
Greetz , Dieter
Posted 02 September 2008 - 06:04 AM
Manu- Very impressive work, banana lures would have to one of the hardest, and most time consuming to make, but as you say they get results - I personally have given up on making them years ago, and just buy 'Flatfish', Brown Trout here love them. pete
Posted 02 September 2008 - 06:08 AM
Oh yes the scars of honor give the lure what I call the "good spirit" ;-)
I added the positioning of weight into the sketch I put into some of my lures...quite an unusual position, but it worked great for me...it agrees in your observation that it's important to weight the lure with head down in the water.
Posted 02 September 2008 - 06:11 AM
Thanks pete! Yes a smooth banana lure has something comparable of the shape of a nice old car or something like that...I even like the form of banana lures when they are unpainted...to see the strukture of the wood in such a shape...excellent :-)
Posted 02 September 2008 - 08:58 AM
Okay I can't resist anymore..., made this quite a while ago:lolhuh:
Posted 02 September 2008 - 10:48 AM
Very nice shaped banana lure lapala :-) this may be a good topwater banana for asp fishing in Germany!
Posted 02 September 2008 - 05:03 PM
Great design and realistic paint job ! How about flavour ?
Have you caught on it already , maybe even a trophy sized cheetah:lol: ?
Thanks for posting the weight locations of your lures:yes: !
Made my initial design sketch today at work , out of my memory , since I don't have web access there:nuhuh: .
But I guess , that it gets quite close , can't wait to start out carving , but before I have to paint and topcoat some lures !
Nice input for me , Manu , thanks a lot !
greetz , Dieter
Posted 03 September 2008 - 01:29 AM
Yes your side view could be a sketch from me...good memory :-)
Many of my bananas are made from cedar wood...this might be surprising but it worked great until now with its high bouyancy. I'm very interested about how the lure will work with abachi wood. This was of course one more reason for me to insert a wire harness.
Posted 03 September 2008 - 02:26 AM
I know Zalt lures. They are very popular in northern europe for pike fishing and they really catch fish.
I don't know why, but I never liked them very much...I don't like their action althought the pikes seem to do :-)
They run quite different than my bananas or for example the quickfish...much less agressive...maybe I can post a video soon.
Posted 03 September 2008 - 02:51 AM
It seems that I have to learn many other things from you. I am not familiar with banana lures, had no time yet to make one (or more) for myself, but I will surely "dirt" my hands on them some day.
I was already wandering about the action they have, especially after Luretrekker showed us his "winner", with the tow point close to the front edge of the lure. Now these Zalt lures have no lip part in front of the tow point, which make me believe that they might have a quite large swinging action left and right. They cannot have an "X" action, they would rather have a "V" action. Is my guess correct? Sorry for needing a quick answer () but I am just curious.
Posted 03 September 2008 - 03:04 AM
you are right with your assumtion that the front lure eye very close to the edge produces a mor V-shaped action than that of a typical banana with a more backwards inserted eye, which craetes a strong X-shaped lure action with lots of hard vibrations.
Posted 03 September 2008 - 03:35 AM
I also don't like the "Zalt"-lures too much , they do not have a strong wobbling action on a steady retrieve , but when twitched , they are said to be real killers . To me , these "Zalt's" are rather more twitch,-or jerkbaits than crankbaits .
I much more prefer a strong , almost vibrating wiggle on such lures .
I am not quite sure yet , wether I would make my first "Luretrekker-Banana" out of abachewood , really depends , wether I would find a piece of teakwood of sufficient thickness in my wood stock .
I'd prefer that one , since the working process would be a lot faster , since I always protect my abache lures against water sepage with a linseedoil/turpentine treatment , which usually takes about three weeks , in addition to shaping and painting !
Other woods I just dip into wood preserver , that procedure only takes three days until I could proceed .
But if the toweye is placed too far upward towards the back of the "Banana" , it could make the lure to turn on its back , it might not be possible anymore to counterbalance it by weight under the lip .
Also a wider tail enhances the tendency to flip over , generally speaking : wider tail section = toweye location more downward the nose , narrower tail section = toweye may be placed further upward .
Manu , please correct me , if I should be wrong about this statement !
Greetz , Dieter
Edited by diemai, 03 September 2008 - 04:21 AM.
Posted 03 September 2008 - 03:50 AM
I agree with your statement so far that there is a maximum point to insert the lure eye until the lure turns.
Concerning the other statement with the wider and narrow tail section I think I dont' really know what you mean with wide and narrow...in which dimension? wider in horizontal or vertical direction or the radius of the tail? Maybe a sketch would help here to help my slow brain understanding
Posted 03 September 2008 - 04:20 AM
I mean a rather more flat tail(horizontal) would tend more to overturn than a tail oval or even round .
For instance the tail section of a "SwimWhizz"(German version called "Damler") I consider as to be a flat , or in other words , a wider tail section .
Greetz , Dieter