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Jointed lure first attempt
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Posted 05 August 2008 - 11:59 AM
Here's my first attempt at a jointed lure. Actually it's my first attempt at making a lure of any kind. It's 6-1/4 inches.
I used the screw eye pin joint technique to assemble it and to see how things fit.
I drilled out the channels where the screw eyes fit into the pin body with a dremel and make a wide side to side hole.
The lure has a nice seductive wiggle but the tail section wants to bind up on occasion regardless of the distance between the joints.
I cut the joints out to about 1/8" from being through and drilled all my holes for pins and screw eyes before shaping.
After shaping I had allot of trouble trying to cut the joints out cleanly so I went and bought a coping saw to finish the cuts. I think the coping saw will be easier to finish the cuts.
The bandsaw had a mind of it's own when I tried to finish cutting the joints.
I've learned allot so far as what to do and what not to do.
I was wondering how to seal the inside holes with the Devcon 2 ton/Den. Alcohol before I try to swim the bait.
I was thinking about using a Q-tip and applying the epoxy that way so I can make sure to remove the excess.
I'm just trying to figure out how long I want the bill to be. I cut one but it seems a bit long.
I want this to dive to around 6-10 feet and have an almost neutral bouyancy.
Any ideas you might have on any aspect of this lure would be greatly appreciated.
Posted 05 August 2008 - 01:43 PM
"I want this to dive to around 6-10 feet and have an almost neutral bouyancy."
you sure are going for it! Jointed deep diving balsa suspender for your first lure!
Achieving neutral buoyancy will take some trial and error/practice but you may get lucky on your first try.
Nice work, looking forward to seeing the finished lure.
Posted 05 August 2008 - 01:57 PM
It looks like you are really putting everything into this lure and the level of effort and attention to detail would suggest it's going to turn out great. I was looking at the photo and have to ask if there is much up an down play in the joints? the photos seem to that there is some present; but not if it enough to be a concern.
A very impressive lure... I can't wait to see it finished up and in the gallery.
Posted 05 August 2008 - 02:42 PM
There is a small bit of up and down play. I'm not sure how to limit the up and down play with out a crimp of some kind and a stop but I'm so new to this I haven't a clue how to do it. I saw the beads but they would have to be really small to fit in the hole but have a larger diameter hole for the nail.
I hope it's not a factor.
"Jointed deep diving balsa suspender for your first lure!"
Yeah I know. I'm sure I'm biting off more than I can chew for a first attempt.
After looking at all your nice lures here I thought I'd jump right into the deep end instead of wading in. I'm sealing it right now and later I'll be installing the screw eyes and pins. Thanks for all the nice comments.
I'll report in once I get it in the water.
Edited by excaliber551, 05 August 2008 - 03:14 PM.
Posted 05 August 2008 - 02:50 PM
This is cool , I'm eager to see and hear about your progress:yes: !
Greetz , diemai
Posted 05 August 2008 - 03:22 PM
Looks very cool, I can't wait to see your progress also.
Posted 05 August 2008 - 04:05 PM
I don't craft hard baits and I'm certainly no expert on the subject. Something just catch my eye when I was looking at your photos. I'm just thinking out loud (so to speak) and wondering if your hitch in your swim bait could be from buoyancy in the tail combined with the left/right swim action. Does it feel smooth when you articulate the joints in your hands? No hitches then...
It could be something that just needs a small tweak - keep with it.
Posted 05 August 2008 - 04:20 PM
The up and down play has to do with how big the joint slots are. Just bend the eye screws up or down so it is closer to the wood and it it will correct the problem. Very easy fix... you could also shim it but much more effort for little to no gain.... Also just a question and i could be asleep when i read this but did you think about the balsa being really soft and on balsa crankbaits you have to do THROUGH WIRE CONSTRUCTION so that the bass will not destroy the lure. And that is for a crank. You are targeting larger fish ad i would give some thought to connecting all the pieces unless it is just a show piece.
Posted 05 August 2008 - 04:48 PM
Thanks for the tip on bending the screw eyes up. I already have an issue with too much epoxy buildup in the holes so I am going to have to use the dremel and clean them out a bit. That issue right already has me rethinking my connection method.
I really like the ease of using the pins for the joint so I'm going to have to see what it takes to alter the design a bit.
I'm just trying to get my prototypes made with Balsa since it's so much easier to shape. I will be going to some other material that will enable me to produce baits from a mold eventually. At least that's the plan. I'd rather spend my time doing the assembly and painting.
I'm going to fish a few of these and see if they hold up. I'm going to drill and epoxy in hand twisted screw eyes and a line tie along with the joint hardware. We'll see if they hold up or not.
I don't plan on using these for Big bass. I don't live in So. Cal any more but I do miss the bass fishing. I like to fish big worms myself.
Eventually I'm hoping these will be tough enough to target some nice bass. I'll be targeting Big Trout with them.
Posted 18 August 2008 - 06:51 PM
Here's an update. I finally have this lure assembled, poured my tail and I took it to the tub for a swim with no hardware on it. I was surprised how buoyant this lure is. I had to play around with weight but I think I found what it wants.
I need to rework my master for my tails and come up with a better way to attach the tail to the body. It wants to twist a bit as it's swimming.
I'm going to mess around some more with the weights and then build another.
What kind of weights are you guys using to put into the bodies? Are they readily available or are you making your own? Here's a quick little video of it in the tub.
Let me know what you guys think so far.
Edited by excaliber551, 18 August 2008 - 07:01 PM.
Posted 18 August 2008 - 07:13 PM
Can we see a pic with the tail? Other than that I think you need a bigger tub....or maybe just a lake
Posted 18 August 2008 - 07:24 PM
Here's a picture.
Edited by excaliber551, 18 August 2008 - 07:32 PM.
Posted 18 August 2008 - 08:30 PM
That thing really swims! I thought the tank was fine, just big enough. Vid was good too.
Posted 19 August 2008 - 01:21 AM
That lure just swims great , very pronounced "snake-like" action !
Since I don't have much experience with swimbaits , I am now wondering , what is the cause for this superbe action , is it the four sections or the lip or both perfectly corresponding one another(only made one swimbait so far without lip/three sections).
Also the plastic tail does its share to the general appearance , that's obvious .
great lure , greetz , diemai
Posted 19 August 2008 - 04:34 AM
It looks as though it swims exactly as one would hope it would, given its design; fantastic! I think you're on your way to one great life-like and versatile lure!!!
If you're stuck for space on the amount of ballast you need in the front section of the lure, you might consider using some tungsten weights instead of lead. That tip courtesy of David Sullivan, TU's captsully 18.
Diemai, in a word, Yes!
Edited by Dean McClain, 19 August 2008 - 04:36 AM.
Posted 19 August 2008 - 07:08 AM
That's a superb action. Congrats.
Allow me to suggest you something: tie the line to a small flexible stick (like the top of a strong fishing pole). You will have a much better control on the lure, and also in the video we will see more of the lure and less of you.
Posted 19 August 2008 - 08:31 AM
Thanks for the kind words guys. I still have a ways to go before I get this lure exactly like I want it.
rofish, Pay no attention to the man behind the screen. Next time it will be in the pond.
I'll post a follow up video when I get the lure the way I want just prior to paint.
Posted 19 August 2008 - 08:46 AM
have you played with tail size? I think that may be causing a bit of the twist you were talking about.
Other than that...the bait looks awesome and I cant wait to see a vid in the pond!!