My First Photo Finish Bait & Questions
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Posted 30 October 2008 - 02:39 PM
Hey all. For those that don't know me I have been making jigs and spinnerbaits for a while and usually post in that forum, or in threads about websites and graphic design. I recently decided to try my hand with photo finishing. After reading a ton of great info on the site (thank you everyone!), I decided to use a plastic lipless crank and finish it with a bluegill image taken from the gallery (thanks again!). There are a lot of mistakes on here but I don't mind. I learned a lot from the mistakes I made and I have a lot of ideas to improve my technique.
So I tried it out at my local pond and it worked! I caught 2 bass on it and lost 1 in less then an hour. But then, wouldn't you know it, I banged it off a rock and broke the finish on it. Can I fill in the chipped devcon with more devcon to fix it? Or is it trashed if the devcon is chipped off in a big chunk? In the future, how many layers of devcon should I apply?
Posted 30 October 2008 - 02:43 PM
Great looking lure!
I'll leave it to the devcon sales staff to answer your questions though.
Posted 30 October 2008 - 04:47 PM
Great job Zak!!
You've learned one draw back too devcon..it is so hard it's brittle,and can crack easy...another draw back too it is that it is heavy...you apply too many coats too a small bait it can really kill the action...You have 3 choices on how too fix the bait..
1. Remove the damaged devcon and patch only those area's with more devcon..(you'd be adding the least weight this way..)
2.Leave the cracked areas and devcon over the whole bait..the new coat should reinforce the damaged area..(you'll be adding additional weight with this fix..)
3.Remove the damaged area like in Choice # 1 and recoat the WHOLE bait.(Your top coat won't be smooth..but I don't think the fish will care..and you'll be adding additional weight with the top coat..)..Nathan
Posted 30 October 2008 - 06:33 PM
Choice number four is to use a table top, decopage type epoxy which is more flexible, instead of D2T, which is a glue and very hard/rigid, when you recoat the lure. Remove the loose stuff, without damaging the photo finish, scuff sand the remaining D2T with 400 grit wet and dry, and coat with the other kind of epoxy.
Two of these that come to mind are Envirotex Lite, and Nu Lustre 55.
I know a lot of people use Dick Nite's, but I'm not familiar with it, so I don't know if you can coat over Devcon with it.
But I do know the other method works, having discovered the error of using D2T on wood baits the hard way.
P.S. Great looking lure!
Posted 31 October 2008 - 04:16 AM
Yes, you can coat over D2T with Dick Nites. I use it exclusively, especially since I droped a finished bait on the concrete floor and didn't even get a scratch. I have given them the "rock test", accidently of course , and the withstood the test with flying colors. A very durable finish, hard and yet flexible enough.
Posted 31 October 2008 - 05:44 AM
here are my
i use 2-3 coats of d2t on larger baits, and with no weight problem, cause d2t only add appx. 10% ballast weight of the amount used on the bait, due to its density. (5g d2t adds appx. 0.5g witch will affect the ballast) thx dave aka vodkaman http://www.tackleund...yancy-lure.html
by knowing this i would fix the lure like this:
- sand the whole lure with 400 grid or scotch pad (mecanical bond)
- clean the crack an make it a bit wider (if necessary)
- clean the whole bait (denaturated alcohol)
- re-coat the whole bait with d2t
when using photofinish or foil/netting i use more than one coat of epox, to get rid of any overlaping stuff. (coat, sand, re-coat)
hope it helps
Posted 31 October 2008 - 06:02 AM
Zak, I'm no expert at this but that lure looks beautiful.
Posted 31 October 2008 - 06:12 AM
Not bad for a first try,
Just some pointers, looks like you put too much 2t on the lure or it was put on too slow or lt was not turned while it set up.
make sure you use 30min 2t you could thin it with denaturated alcohol and then top coat it with DN, DN will stand up to teeth marks a whole lot better and is worth it.
I take about enough 2t to do 3 or 4 lures and thin it with about 10 to 15 drops of denaturated alcohol so the first coat of 2t goes on smooth and thin then second coat with the DN
Posted 31 October 2008 - 06:59 AM
Thanks for all the compliments and advice. I am going to see if I can repair this bait using the suggested techniques. But to be honest I am more excited to make some design changes and work on the next version - I guess I'm hooked . I already know a bunch of ways to improve on it.
Is Envirotex something I can find at a local hardware or crafts shop? Or should I order it online?
Posted 31 October 2008 - 01:23 PM
You can find it at most hardware stores..Besure you measure out equal amounts and stir well..It isn't as forging as Devcon in these areas..Nathan
Posted 01 November 2008 - 08:34 AM
Awesome, glad someone put the photo to use. Now if I could only do as good of a job with the photo.
Posted 01 November 2008 - 10:54 AM
Here is a crappie I did probaby 4 years ago. I think this lure was done with Devcon............there is no reason to thin Devcon before applying it.
Posted 02 November 2008 - 05:55 AM
I just read the 5 page thread about Dick Nites and it sounds like a great product. But I have 1 concern: these photofinish baits do not have a perfectly even finish (because of the application of the paper) and according to that thread the DN would not even it out the way epoxy does. Would it be better to do 1 coat with D2T to even and smooth everything out, then apply Dick Nites on top for additional protection?
Posted 02 November 2008 - 06:08 AM
I mentioned thinning 2t to keep the weight down, and if your having trouble getting a smooth layer.
Dicknite over top of 2t if you want to protect it better from teeth marks.
Posted 04 November 2008 - 07:40 AM
I used Husky's tutorial to start. But I could not get tissue paper to work with my printer so I ended up using regular printer paper instead. I still glued it to aluminum foil though because I found that the foil was malleable and allowed me to wrap the paper around the bait better. But I have since found a better way, printing onto full-size sticker sheets without the tin foil. I think the foil adds a lot of unnecessary bulk to the lure. Here is my latest work in progress:
This is the same image (with alittle photoshop tweaking) printed on to sticker paper without the foil and with 1 coat of D2T. I think there is a pretty big improvement in quality between these 2. I jut ordered Dick Nites and I am planning on adding 1 more coat of d2t to affix the eyes and a coat of the dick nites to finish it off.
Oh, here is 1 more that I did using the first technique with a Rock Bass image. I will probably redo this one too with the newer technique:
Thanks again for everyone's help and advice with this!
Edited by LooksLikeSinbad, 04 November 2008 - 07:42 AM.
Posted 04 November 2008 - 08:26 AM
Unreal............ Or real?
Great idea. I wish I was better on the computer..
Edited by 21xdc, 04 November 2008 - 08:27 AM.
Posted 04 November 2008 - 09:12 AM
looks great sinbad!
just an other hint....
after the first coat of epoxy: if you sand down all the edges (foil, netting, sticker) an re-coat the lure, you will end up with smooth edges/finish.
i.e. Tackleunderground Home - Luremakers Photo Gallery - some photofinish
Posted 04 November 2008 - 11:40 AM
Thanks for the tip. What grit sand paper do you recommend?