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Posted 07 December 2008 - 05:45 PM
Ok ...... I'm ready to mx the propionate pellets with the acetone. Directions say to mix 1 oz to a pint of acetone ........ quesion is how much is an oz in dry measure ... teaspoon, tablespoon etc?
Posted 07 December 2008 - 06:25 PM
buy a digital postal scale at a office supply store, 30 bucks or less. or a hand held mail scale. if thats not an option... go to the post office and ask them to weigh it in an envelope untill you get an ounce. ask to tare the envelope. explain you need to send only that much. good luck
Posted 07 December 2008 - 06:45 PM
I was hoping to do this tonight and not to spend $30 for a simple measurement that plenty of others have already done ........ we're here to share and I'd appreciate help from others who have done this ...... Thanks in advance
Posted 07 December 2008 - 06:57 PM
Try a shot glass full of pellets. The measurement doesn't have to be precise, you just don't want to overdo it and make the solution too thick. It should end up being quite thin, like the viscosity of a can of polyurethane varnish. I dip baits in the prop solution and when the jar gets too low, I add some more acetone and a teaspoon or so of extra pellets. BTW, Bigfish1's comment about a digital scale is good advice apart from measuring prop pellets. I weigh my blanks, ballast weights and final crankbait weights on every batch. It's the only way you can replicate things on subsequent baits. And it shows you the things you need to adjust to make later baits better.
Posted 07 December 2008 - 08:41 PM
Thanks Bob ........ trying to do this tonight so getting a scale is not an option ....... I think it might be under the Christmas tree this year though.
Posted 07 December 2008 - 08:46 PM
american weigh scales inc. sells a digital scale that is accurate to .001 oz. sells for 37.00 you would not believe how handy it is! I dont know how i lived without it!
Posted 07 December 2008 - 09:04 PM
yeah, most any lure builder needs at least a cheap scale. 30 bucks will get you by for most things for lure related stuff. as long as it has gram capacity. i don't buy propianate in pellet form so there was no way i could measure it. i got some awhile ago and wasn't happy with it. so i figured i'd make my own. almost got it the way i want it now but it's looking like i might just go to a different product that is better suited to our (lure makers') needs. propionate has been used on lures since at least the 40's, maybe longer (it was discovered in 1929), and there's been a whole lot of discoveries and improvements since then.
basicly it's a case of word of mouth in the lure industry, and ''billy's tackle'' doing it because ''joey's tackle did it''. imagination got replaced by expediency so to speak. i'm working on it as you read this to bring a better suited product to the ''little guys'' like most of us are. i'll be puting out a propionate for the die hard old school builders and the other for the new age builder. but this is getting long so... off to the fun stuff. ...BTW, i was trying to help.
Posted 08 December 2008 - 01:58 AM
Right or wrong this is how I do it. Take your pellets and put them in your container. Pour in your Acetate/tone and cover them so you have 2 or 3 inches of liquid on top (depending on how much you are doing) you can always add more as required. Let em dissolve stirring occasionally. When dissolved just thin to the right consistency, voilą, no measurements at all. Beauty of prop is you can thin to whatever you require. I make mine very thick and heavy initialy and keep that as a base which I pour into other containers and thin, this saves having to wait for the prop pellets to dissolve when I run low. It isn't a science.
Posted 08 December 2008 - 02:17 AM
Huh! Bet I can make a science of it.
A pound coin weighs 9.5 grams, therefore 3 coins weighs 28.5 grams. This is very close to an ounce.
Just make a very simple balance. 3 coins one side and the pellets on the other.
Well, still not an exact science, but a simple solution.
Ah, but I don't know where you live. I am assuming UK as that is where 'my home' is.
Edited by Vodkaman, 08 December 2008 - 02:19 AM.
Posted 08 December 2008 - 01:22 PM
Dang .......... I just asked what was the dry measure of 1 oz of propionate was ........ 1 person gave helpful information and I thank you very much for that ......... approximately a shot glass full
I know I could have bought a scale but I thought I could get a simple answer to a simple question quickly here where we share information.
Maybe the guy that sell this stuff should add the dry measure to his instructions ........ I'm surprised he hasn't chimed in with the info .....
Anyway ...... thanks for the info ...... if I find out the exact answer I'll post it incase others without a scale need it.
Posted 08 December 2008 - 01:25 PM
Still don't know where 'home' is, why such a secret.
Posted 08 December 2008 - 02:15 PM
Sorry ...... missed that ....... no secret I'm from Baltimore Maryland USA and I mainly fish the Chesapeake Bay ......... attempting to make saltwater topwater poppers out of different materials. The one I'm playing with now is made out of a 6 inch cork rod foregrip. Weighted in the back and possibly filled with a foam and possibly a rattle.
I want to see how propionate seals cork and experimenting with different materials for the rattles. I understand from reading the threads that Balsa is a pain for propionate but I didn't see any mention of cork
Posted 08 December 2008 - 03:11 PM
I doesn't have to be rocket science:lolhuh: Dissolve some pellets in the acetone. If it's too thick, add solvent. It's like mixing pancake batter - I don't use a computer or a digital scale for that when I'm half awake in the morning. Dave probably does...but we know "he's special"!
Posted 08 December 2008 - 04:02 PM
i could tell you whats going to happen with the cork but that might be too much help?? and balsa is a pain? not if it's done right. oops. too much help. sorry.
Posted 08 December 2008 - 04:09 PM
Actually, I like propionate for sealing balsa. 10 dips puts a nice smooth hard shell on it. How it would work on cork is a ??? Have all those Chopper Bluefish left the Chesapeake? Durability of ANYTHING is a question when they are around!
Posted 08 December 2008 - 04:31 PM
I'd think if it sealed balsa it will seal cork ..... probably hold to the pits pretty good to .... glad to hear you like it on Balsa
Yeah ...... they're gone ......... this time of year they're schoolie stripers in the 20's around the mouth of the bay with a few cows around .......... most of the larger fish are around Point Lookout and Solomons Island (20 - 30 lbs) ......... waiting for the monsters to come in by the Bay Bridge Tunnel ........
The blues were mostly 2-4 lbs ......... haven't seen the bruisers in years but plenty of nice stripers 18 - around 36" in the Summer/fall and monsters on the Susquehanna Flats in the spring ........ my biggest this year was a 37 lb and 24 lb in one day .......
THese poppers will hopefully hold up and if not I'll just build another ....... or make some with a harder wood when they are around ..........
Edited by rhahn427, 08 December 2008 - 04:35 PM.
Posted 08 December 2008 - 05:56 PM
Here is the #'s I have for you
4 fluid oz. = 2.225 oz. = 63g
1 cup = 5.430 oz. = 153.9g
300ml = 7.51 oz. = 212.8g
5 US Quarters = 1.000 oz.
Sorry but I didn't do my daily TU reading or I would have had the answer sooner. Anyone that has purchased Propionate from me will tell you my response time is pretty fast on shipping or questions.
Philb is right on, about mixing a thick solution to pull from when you need to refill the jar on short notice. Just spoon out a glob of thick and stir it in with the solvent and get the thickness you are looking for.
This is the link to the classified ad. If someone has new direct questions for me they can be asked in that listing and I will get an email notification that there is a question. I will answer it as soon as I open my email. I prefer to have questions answered in the hardbait forum because I learn new techniques too.
I hope you get your digital scales for Christmas.
Good luck with the cork and propionate is the best sealer I have found for balsa.
Posted 09 December 2008 - 12:55 PM
OK ........ so 1 oz (dry weight) of propionate pellets is equal to a little less than 2 fluid oz. .......... therefore a heaping shot glass would be just about 1 oz of pellets (because a shot glass is usually 1.5 oz liquid measure) just as BobP said. THis is needed, per the instructions, for the first jar.
And 2 heaping shotglasses of pellets would be the 2 oz of pellets needed for the second (thicker) solution .......
I think this is right ........
Posted 09 December 2008 - 02:56 PM
How long does it 'typically' take to cure as a sealer on Balsa/Basswood at 70F?
Posted 09 December 2008 - 05:46 PM
Just skip the second jar of thick and go straight for a jar of super thick propionate (as philb mentioned). Use 3 full shot glasses of pellets to 10-12 oz. of solvent.
sealing dry wood to painting is usually 24 hrs. If you are using a thin mixture and wait 15-30 min. between dips then it will be sealed and strengthened enough to handle and paint with in 24 hrs. You can handle it with no problems after 20-30 min but there is still traces of solvent evaporating from the propionate. After 24 hrs. 99.9% of the solvents have evaporated from the sealer. The propionate still continues to cure for about 2 weeks to a month but I have never heard of a problem with someone painting and sealing a bait too soon after.