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Posted 17 December 2008 - 12:08 PM
just lost a recently completed lure to a snag.....OUCH! felt a million times worse than losing a store bought lure. how many of you lose your homemade baits? and how frequently? especially those who fish snaggy areas or make bottom hugging or sinking lures? how do you cope? counselling?
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Posted 17 December 2008 - 12:37 PM
My first hinged lip prototype was designed to improve casting distance.
The line snagged in the reel mechanism and snapped. Boy, you should've seen that baby fly.
I cried. Cheaper than seeing how far into the river I could throw the rod and reel.
Posted 17 December 2008 - 01:04 PM
I fish with the inline spinners and minnows I make, mostly with inline spinners. My personal "best" was 10 spinners lost in a single fishing day. It was a very windy day with the wind changing direction in seconds, and my lures landed mostly in the bushes on the opposite side of the river, or in trees.
Posted 17 December 2008 - 01:09 PM
Those of us who make jigs are used to it! Its all part of the sport.One of the few foil lipless cranks I made broke off which upset me because It just caught one of the few fish that day, but while looking for it found a nice rapala jointed minnow!
Posted 17 December 2008 - 01:12 PM
I've actually lost very few of my own lures, probably because I'm careful with where and how I throw them. But, if the water's not too deep or cold, I "fall" out of the boat, with no clothes, and go down and get it. Otherwise, I curse up a blue streak, and then go home and make another one. Hopefully, a better one that won't get lost!
I lose more when I'm fishing alone, because boat control while saving a lure is more difficult when you're alone.
I'm always a little braver with my home made lures when they're floaters. I fish mostly rocky lakes, with very few snags, so the chances of not being able to retrieve a snagged lure is reduced.
Mostly, the line slips between two rocks, and the lure comes up to them and gets wedged. Usually I can just drive directly over the lure, and past, and it will come free.
But I don't drag the bottom with my home made lure unless I know it's smooth, especially in deeper water.
I have several different lure retievers, including my "golden retriever", a telescoping retriever from Bass Pro that earned it's nickname from the number of cranks it's save over the years.
For my bigger swimbaits, including the Huddlestons, I use a heavy weighted retriever that has a long cord attached, and which slides down the line to the lure. It has several lengths of chain attached, so it snags the hooks on the swimbait and I can wrench it free. I also got that at Bass Pro. I did change out the cord to a heavier cord, so I could straighten a hook if I had to without breaking the retiever's line.
One tip I learned from my partner is to pull on the line with my hand instead of the rod when I'm directly over, or just past the lure. For some reason, this seems to pull stuff free when jerking on it with the rod won't. He learned that on a trip to Lake Bacarrac, in Mexico. So now, whenever I use that tip and it works, I say, " Thanks Juan Montoya", the guide who taught it to him.
Edited by mark poulson, 17 December 2008 - 01:14 PM.
Posted 17 December 2008 - 02:12 PM
Ditto, at minimum get a hound dog or BPS version add some light chain links. I know guys who use old reels and broken off rods to lower the line and reel it back in to keep it organized. Me, I use a closed cell foam buoy (i cut it out from a larger piece) just in case the line falls in, so I can ALWAYS get it back. But I use the extending pole most of the time!
Posted 17 December 2008 - 05:23 PM
I don't lose too many lures when fishing from my little boat , I have a good homemade lure retriever .
But most snags occur with jigging spoons , casting spoons and plastics rigged on leadheads , these are less prone to get caught by the chains of the retriever , but I still get 90% of them out .
Crankbaits or jerkbaits equipped with a set of trebles are far easier to catch up with .
The problem is always to keep my light collabsible boat vertically above the lure , when the wind is always drifting it around the anchors rope . Talkin'bout depths od 15 to 45 feet usually .
When fishing unknown waters from bank , I am more cautious in making my choice of lures , since I hate it to sink my "goodies" .
I'd first tie on a "search" lure like a cheap spoon or a simple plastic shad on a lead head , lure choice accordingly to estimated or known depth and make a few casts on that new spot , always letting it fall back on the bottom or even tossing it along .
This way I quickly get an idea about depth , the bottom structure , it's consistency and , off course , about snags .
And if I'd lose it , well , bad luck ,...... as long , as it doesn't get too much..........!
Still better than losing one of my precious homemade wooden lures , though this also happens every season .
Worst thing is , that a wooden proven homemade you can never get to be exactly the same again , like the one , that you have lost.........much "prefer" losing commercials !
greetz , diemai
Posted 17 December 2008 - 06:07 PM
If you aren't snagging cover occasionally, you aren't fishing right! One reason I started making crankbaits is that I hate losing a $15-20 custom crank in a laydown tree or brushpile. If I made it, I'm not out big bucks, mostly just the enjoyable time it took to craft the lure. I keep several Plano boxes full of replacements as "hot spares".
Posted 17 December 2008 - 08:37 PM
I lost a gorgeous 14" cedar Sucker replica glider when i first started doing this. I'd put a ton of hours into that particular one and i lost it when my titanium leader snapped on the cast. I was REALY upset over that one!
I had a customer lose a really nice 11" Walleye glider and I felt so bad for him I sent him a replacement for free!
Posted 17 December 2008 - 09:31 PM
BobP is right on the button with this, If you are not throwing your cranks where they will get hung up you might as well not fish cranks at all(become a worm fisherman!). The great beauty of making your own is to be able to reproduce the ones that work. That is why record keeping is mighty important to lure builders.
Posted 17 December 2008 - 09:31 PM
Your a good man...
Posted 17 December 2008 - 10:11 PM
I lost one of my hand carved frogs and had to be placed on suicide watch for 72 hrs.
Posted 18 December 2008 - 12:18 AM
I am lousy at record keeping, but I make paper templates of my lures, marked with the hook hanger, joint, and ballast placement.
But I'm always surprised at how I "used to do things" when I redo an old lure.
Funny how, for me, any improvement in method or material or design quickly becomes so ingrained that I just delete the older methods from my mind.
Or maybe it's early Alzheimer's.
Posted 18 December 2008 - 01:18 AM
I build a number of "standard" crankbait designs (which vary over time) and I try to "improve the breed" as I go. When a buddy I gave a bait to a year ago asks for one "just like that purple back one you gave me", I wouldn't have the foggiest idea what he's talking about except that I can go back to my notebook and find out how I built that bait. The body template I used, the wood, The lip shape and material, the hardware and ballast, and the paint pattern, plus the finished weight of the lure. If you can build 100 baits and remember how you built number 23 from memory, you must be a "Crankbait Idiot Savant".
When I started throwing Lucky Craft cranks, it took me a few months to get over the feeling that I was throwing $20 bills out of the boat on every cast. All I can say is "GET OVER IT!". Bass fishing is a pay-to-play pastime unless you only use live worms.
Edited by BobP, 18 December 2008 - 01:24 AM.
Posted 18 December 2008 - 01:21 AM
Don't keep records apart from my design sketches to shape the lures after .
I usually make at least two more lures after a proven new prototype , most likely more , and if my stock goes down to only one of a kind remaining , that one strictly stays at home , until I'd be done with some new ones shaped after it and the design sketch .
But still they do not all act exactly the same , even when making three or even five of a kind , there'd be always subtle differences !
Or do I just work inaccurately ?
But losing lures might also have advantages , like in this case :
Many years ago(didn't own many cranks back then) I have lost an orange/brown "Rapala Down Deep Fat Rap" , an excellent lure both in terms of catching and casting . It was the deepest running crankbait , that I knew back in those years .
Well , after that trip , still with my small boat loaded on the car's roof , I went to Hamburg city , to get myself a new one , since I had vacation and goin' fishin' every day .
Searched three or four tackleshops in the city , they all had almost the entire "Rapala" line in stock , but not that particular model anymore , none at all !
In need of a deep diver I have found one big lipped lure hanging lonely on the shelf of a smaller tackleshop , never saw it before !
Well , I was fed up to search the other remaining shops in town and so I bought that one and fished it successfully the next day , it even went down deeper than my lost "Rapala" , thought did not cast as well .
This was my first contact with the "Mann's" line , and nowadays I own at least a dozen of their deep divers and smaller cranks !
greetz , diemai
Posted 18 December 2008 - 06:37 AM
great to know i am not alone in my agony! I fish from shore and i have not found any effective lure retriever apart from me getting very wet. (sometimes slipping, losing glasses, losing footwear etc... but thats another story)
losing a homemade is especially painful when
1. its a new model/finish/paintjob type that you have spent ages working on.
2. its an old favourite that swims with a special inexplicable "eat me" flavour. no matter how closely i replicate my lures there are some which simply are "special" or have history.
another general question - is there a tendency for us to make surface/shallow lures, and use shop bought models for deeper/bottom models?
Posted 18 December 2008 - 08:41 AM
In answer to your second question, I know I'm more careful with a home made lure, or one I just repainted.
But years ago, I learned, as a carpenter who took pride in what I built, to "let it go", once I'd finished a project. The project now belonged to whoever I was working for, and I had to move on.
The process was mine, but the finished product was theirs.
Maybe that's why I don't get as upset when I, or a friend, loses one of my home made or repainted lures.
I make them to fish, not to sit.
Posted 18 December 2008 - 03:28 PM
ive lost over 250 buck in swimbaits at diamond valley lake in one weekend! 3 or 4 bbz and a hudd. and i think a castaic rock hard swimmie.... so id rather loose a homemade bait over store bought anyday!
Posted 18 December 2008 - 06:59 PM
$250!!! Dude! Bill Siemental is loving you right now.
When they open DVL back up, tell me when you're going, and I'll follow you around and retrieve your lost lures!
Seriously, it's easy to lose lures if you don't know the tricks for getting them back.
Patience is the key. And keeping your line tight, so it doesn't drift down into the rocks and get snagged, too.
I throw my sinking swimbaits on 25lb Bass Pro mono. It has enough stretch to absorb casting "errors" like tip wrap, but it's heavy enough to give a good hook set.
I throw my floaters on 20lb mono, and my shallow cranks on 17lb. mono. I use flouro and braid for everything else.
Seriously, invest in several lure retrievers, both the extendable shaft and the slide down the line with chain kind. They pay for themselves in one trip.
Posted 19 December 2008 - 02:58 AM
So far I've made more shallow runners than deeprunners , but not because of snagging-up issuses .
You might lose those shallowrunners and topwaters easily as well , thought not to bottom snags but by inaccurate casting , strong winds , etc . !
When I make a new lure model , I would never think about losing it already , lol !
If I have made a new model , that proves or even only seems to work well , I won't fish it anymore , until I would have made some more after it !
But losing an old "warhorse" surely would bother me a big lot , only finding out about a new "sure catch" favourite in my tacklebox could ease my pain , lol !
@ mark poulson
For European issues you're fishing "ropes" , I guess , our attitude clearly goes to fish thinner lines .
Lure anglers over here hardly use mono anymore , but in the pre-braid times a 12 to 16 lbs. test mono was recommended for pike , for perch , zander(european walleye) , trout , etc. somewhere between 4 and 12 lbs. test .
But on the other hand , the lures , that are(or also were) used over here , are not as heavy by far , a thicker line won't cast them too well .
Once I have spooled up a 0,25 mm braid for fishing the "Elbe" river , which is full of snags , this way I could often get back my ledhead shads by just pulling and bending the hooks open , but this way I don't have enough feel to control the lures with that thick line and miss a lot of strikes !
I went down to 0,20 mm braid , still a little thick for subtle working plastics , finally I ended up at 0,12 mm for this purpose , 0,20 mm for heavier average lurefishing and I've got that 0,25 mm braid on my heavy jerkbait rod , since it has to withstand a lot of abuse with this method .
In a nutshell , I have learned for me , that it is quite useless to choose line diameter accordingly to avoid losing lures , at least for certain types of lures and fishing methods .
Greetz , Dieter