Adding More Detail
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Posted 19 January 2009 - 09:21 PM
I was fiddling around the other day and decided I wanted to get more texture detail on one of my baits. I decided to carve in the plastic a little bit to create this detail. I know there are other methods but with some practice I think this could look very nice.
So my question is, if I don't scratch that deep then will it ruin the integrity of the bait? Also I know that you have to be careful or the bait will not swim straight but has anyone done this with any success?
Posted 19 January 2009 - 11:38 PM
Be very careful here, BassMadness. This is how it all starts...first you just want to try a little alteration here and there on baits that you already have.
Lol, it all starts out so innocently and seems so benign. Next thing you know you have a woodshop, a paint shop, an assembly bench, and more tools than you ever dreamed you'd own. You'll find yourself hanging out a the fabric store looking for netting materials to paint scales and after a while, you're actually comfortable hanging out with all those old women in there. You don't even care that they stare at you as you fondle the netting.
To answer your question, test the bait during the carving process. Don't be afraid to sacrifice a bait or two to learn the parameters of what you're trying to do. If you make a mistake, you'll be in good company. We've all pushed the envelope too far with all this stuff, but learning is half the fun.
Welcome to the forum...and the insanity.
Posted 19 January 2009 - 11:45 PM
So true. I've received some weird looks at Jo-Ann Fabrics. LOL
Posted 20 January 2009 - 01:49 AM
Hey, carve away! But if you hole it, it's done. I don't think the plastic is thick enough to carve deep enough to alter the action much. And unless you carve out large areas, the integrity will still be OK. I haven't done it in plastic but plenty of us carve wood bait details.
Posted 20 January 2009 - 07:36 AM
What's wrong with a little Bridal Vail netting trimmed with floral daisies and back stitch doilies (as long as you're not wearing them secretly under your street clothes). (Certain floral designs make great craw patterns but you didn't hear it from me.)
As I've mentioned several times, I come from the production side of the lure industry so when I find myself getting carried away (and it doesn't take much), I stop and ask "is it for the fish or the fisherman" (trigger a strike or trigger a sale is another way of expressing it). I believe there is a happy compromise in there somewhere. The speed and movement of a crankbait renders it somewhat of a blur to the fish where top water baits allow the fish to study your work. And all of this is predicated on time of day, water clearity etc.
See how easily I get carried away!?
Posted 20 January 2009 - 07:40 AM
Hummm... That gives me an idea. I wonder if some of the lace fabric patterns would work to give a firetiger it's stripes.
Posted 20 January 2009 - 07:51 AM
Hey Wanna, I think design possiblilities are only limited by preconceived ideas of what works. Edison tried some 10,000 different filaments when designing the light bulbs.
My wife is still wondering what happened to some frilly garments she had in the dresser. She would be hurt if I told her I think they look better on my baits than her.
Posted 20 January 2009 - 08:31 AM
I must admit i felt a little silly in the craft stores at first but there is a treasure trove of lure making materials there.
Posted 20 January 2009 - 09:04 AM
Thanks guys. I've been looking for something with a defined pattern as I'm not so good at the free-hand painting yet.
I saw a video where a guy mounted the pattern material in an
embroidery hoop like my Mom used to do her crafting with. He simply held the lure up to the material and sprayed through. They are cheap so several could be set up in a vise and exchanged as desired.
Posted 20 January 2009 - 04:38 PM
I scale cranks with soft mesh that I pull over the crank, and hold together at the bottom with clothes pins. That way I can hold the bill or the cloths pins while I'm painting the scale pattern.
For my jointed lures, I use a different method.
I hang my cheese cloth mesh fabric, a piece 18" square, over a piece of plywood. It's mounted with duct tape (git 'er dun!) on the top as a hinge.
I attached a piece of dense foam about the same size to the plywood face (duct tape again), and have vertical rows of screws on both sides of the spray area. That lets me suspend a lure between two opposing screws, push it tight to the foam, and lay the mesh down over it.
Then I use bulletin board pins to pull the mesh tight to the lure face. If one part of the mesh gets too gunked up, I just use a different pair of opposing screws.
That way, I can spray the scale pattern on with the lure horizontal and facing me. I do one side, dry it, and then reverse the lure and do the other.
It's an inelegant method, but it works. And it's easy to change mesh once it gets too ratty.
Posted 21 January 2009 - 10:03 AM
hello . I think you can also apply different models by pasting on the surface of the bait. so i did on my swimbait (view in the gallery on page 3). in this way you do not need the carves .
Edited by brc, 21 January 2009 - 10:06 AM.
Posted 21 January 2009 - 10:17 AM
Do you mean you glued the mesh onto the surface of the bait?
If so, what/how did you do it?
Posted 21 January 2009 - 11:31 AM
I meant only to gills . the shape of the gills made with plastic foil
Edited by brc, 21 January 2009 - 11:52 AM.
Posted 21 January 2009 - 11:55 AM
oh, I understand , you mean you can do the gills with the airbrush and a stencil instead of carving them
Posted 21 January 2009 - 12:22 PM
Just wanted to stop by and thank everyone for the replies. Now how do I tell my wife I need to go to the fabric shop and that I need her to stay home with the kid? Or do I just take her with me? Oh man,,, this is getting complicated.
Posted 21 January 2009 - 01:01 PM
uups, my mistake , brc meant that you can apply different shapes on the lure using for example foil to obtain a 3D effect, you simply stick it to the lure and paint over. Also you can do 3D scales by gluing a mesh on the lure and apply aluminium foil over it.
mark , the models brc reffered to were the 3D gills that were obtained from foil...the scales I think were made using the same method as you've mentioned.
Posted 21 January 2009 - 02:35 PM
pike is right . that i meant too. i'm still learning english .
Posted 21 January 2009 - 02:37 PM
Thanks for the clarification.
I had visions of spraying 3M glue on mesh, and applying it, and then painting over that.
My mind is weird, not me.
Posted 22 January 2009 - 04:13 AM
I thought of that when I read your post , took a moment to imagine the looks of the lure with the mesh glued on and painted over , man, I tell you, that scared me, frickin image Still I think it will work with other materials (more material between the eyes of the mesh) and larger scales, acrylic paint will work on that for sure weird imagination => weird lures
for sure using thinned devcon to apply the mesh will harden the material ( the glue will be absorbed by the mesh) , for larger lures (like swimbaits ) I think it will work . Man I think I'm going to give it a shot
Edited by pikeman, 22 January 2009 - 04:23 AM.