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Need help with an idea for a ratttle trap
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Posted 13 March 2009 - 05:17 PM
I think you could test the hole layout and effect without making a lure. Just drill the proper holes in a piece of similar size, and pass water under pressure through it, like from a water hose. You could also try compressed air, to see if it makes a noise. Since noise is just vibration in a medium, what makes noise with air will make "noise' with water.
Posted 13 March 2009 - 07:56 PM
I think what Im going to do is make a mold of the bait with no holes and drill first. Then drill different types of holes and different angles in the bait. Then find out what works and then try to mold this concept with the desired holes. I think this will save me time and money in the long run because if one option dosnt work I can pour a new bait and start over. I will try mold the bait this weekend. Thanks guys for the intrest and if anyone can give any ideas let me know, thanks again.
Posted 13 March 2009 - 08:05 PM
Lapala I will look into this and thanks for the three part idea, it may be the thing I need to do. I just need to see if this idea works before I take the time and mold them in place. I will also try and find those baits your talking about. man I dont think there is an new idea left
Posted 13 March 2009 - 08:43 PM
I read through the patent (thanks LP). A lot of attention was paid to the deflector. This appears to work like a ventury, but I was not really convinced.
If the innitial trials do not achieve what you are looking for, you could try something similar, with a lump of 5 min epoxy or similar.
New ideas! there's tons of them, not so easy to come up with though. Believe it or not, it takes practise. You thought this one up yourself, so you have the right kind of mind and attitude. Just keep searching your mind.
Posted 14 March 2009 - 09:19 AM
Trying to fill all the holes in today. hopefully tommorow I will sand down d2 for a smooth finish. Then I will mold and start experimenting with this not so new concept:lol:
Posted 14 March 2009 - 07:18 PM
Just curious, where did you locate your inlet hole Jamie?
Vodka, I think you have read enough patents and or manuals related to ur former job to know you can't really tell much from what they write
Edited by LaPala, 14 March 2009 - 07:19 PM.
Posted 14 March 2009 - 08:17 PM
Lapala if you look at the pic in the earlier post, its in the flat portion of the head between the nose of the bait and the line tie on top. If you count three pins ,on the bottom of the bait back, then goto the top of the head here is the starting point. The hole then angled back torwards the front hook hanger at the bottom of the bait. this would give about the same angle of the bait swimming in the water. All the exit holes intersect the main entrance hole at different spots through out the chamber. I would show you a pic but ive already filled in the holes. Sorry if this sounds confusing.
Posted 14 March 2009 - 08:23 PM
I'll wait for your photos Jamie Just a note, a straight thru hole with bigger inlet compared to outlet would work better, bending passage of water will make it less effective.
Posted 14 March 2009 - 09:11 PM
Lapala with me molding this bait with no holes I will be able to drill different options out and the one you said is on my list. Ive also thought about one larger hole entering and two on the side slightly smaller exiting like a T. Also thought about making the T shaped slightly different and make Y shaped with the vents angled at a 45 degree instead of a 90. I will try all differnt things and see what will work the best and then mold the bait again with the adjustments made into the bait. I dont realy know if this idea will work but its fun trying.
Posted 22 March 2009 - 10:16 PM
Poured some baits today, and started on one of the four designs of the venting bait idea.On this bait you can see the top intake hole through the bait and then the vent hole out on the bottom. On the side profile you can see the notch ,and to me it resembles a whistle, i dont know if this matters but we will see. Dont mind the little nick in eye sock(this a test bait anyway)I was cleaning up a litle around the eye with a dremel and chipped it a bit.In the morning I will make the other designs into the bait and take them for a dip and see how they swim. Time is hard to find right now with my sons baseball practices started up and between that and work, But Im off tomorrow for my birthday and I should be able to work all morning on these and some other baits that needs finishing.Hope to post some pics tomorrow of the other designs.
Posted 23 March 2009 - 04:21 PM
Thanks Mark, the years are slipping by faster and faster.Here is option #2, This bait has several vents along the jaw line.
Posted 23 March 2009 - 04:30 PM
Here is option # 3 it has a larger intake hole with two vent holes along each gill plate along the bottom.All these baits still need a little sanding to remove the seam lines.Option #4 is this design but with smaller intake and vent holes. What do you guys think so far?
Posted 23 March 2009 - 05:36 PM
They all look interesting. Let us know how they work.
"Life is like a roll of toilet paper. The closer you get to the end, the faster it goes".
Posted 23 March 2009 - 09:08 PM
Mark I let you all know but how do I tell which is the best, I guess thats for the fish to decide. I was sitting down today trying to figure a test for these baits to see which or if any would work the best. If you have any ideas let me know.
Posted 24 March 2009 - 01:05 AM
Actually, I have been thinking about how this is going to be tested from day one.
My thought is a smear of silicone glue around the inlet and fix some instant coffee grains, for a bath tub test.
Video if available, so you don't have to keep repeating the test.
I was thinking of potassium permanganate chrystals, but these might stain your bath purple along with your angry wifes face.
Posted 24 March 2009 - 11:37 AM
My vote is for #3 & #4, might need a bit more thinkering with inlet hole size and orientation, keep the outlet small.
Posted 24 March 2009 - 05:11 PM
Lapala I was thinking the same thats why I decided on two different option for this one giving room for error while clearing. Its going to factor in how much problem with the clear will cause with the vent holes if I go big or small on the vents due to clogging of the vents.I know that I can drill out if the bait if it gets alittle clear in the holes but I wanted to avoid as much as possiable because it gives your bait a poor quality finish at the end.
Posted 24 March 2009 - 05:19 PM
If you look at option #2 the back two vent holes ( one on each side) are in the same place as option # 3 but has 4 extra vents infront of them. This size vents on #2 are the size I was thinking about For option#4.
Posted 24 March 2009 - 05:52 PM
I think the vents need to be further aft of the inlet. But I am looking forward to reading about the test results.