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[Lure--Prof]

I agree 100% Vodkaman!!!

Dean

[Lure--Prof]

Folks, We Have a WINNER!!!!!

The Fishin' Fool Knot takes all the marbles, defeating the Palomar for the North American Fisherman's 2009 Knot Wars Championship!!!

Congratulations TU member Rick on your "Top Knot"!

Dean

[Fish_N_Fool]

The Fish-N-Fool Knot beats the Palomar in a head to head battle on Knot Wars to win the Grand Championship of all time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well Steve Pennaz of the N. American Fishing Club didn't believe it would ever happen. That any knot could beat the mighty Palomar, but in a test he did himself, the Fish-N-Fool Knot beat the Palomar in all 3 line types, Florocarbon, Mono and Braid. He told me if he hadn't seen it with his own eyes he would have never believed it. He was a avid user of the Palomar knot but said that my knot really impressed him. He thinks this will become one of the standards in fishing for tying a hook to a line. Pretty cool huh?
I have been getting a ton of good things out of this . All of the local papers are picking up on this and running stories in the paper. The director of a local Fishing and hunting expo at the fairgrounds next weekend saw it in the paper and called me up and wants me to come demonstrate my knot to the crowd and talk about it in a short spot between the scheduled speakers on both Sat. and Sun. I believe in the next few weeks the fishing message boards on the net will be alive talking about the Fish-N-Fool Knot. But hey, I will still remember all the little people when I'm rich and famous.

[hazmail]

Congratulations Steve on your fabulous win - If you hadn't, I was wondering how the mods were going to handle a breakdown over the net - I bet sales have gone through the roof . pete

[Piscivorous Pike]

Hey, Rick,
Last year when they started all the hubaloo about knot wars I sent in the super line knot, Kramer Knot, and some editor of the magazine sent me some stuff about contests; he thought I was entering some on line contest from the magazine, nothing to do with the knot wars. I replied back it was for the knot testing, well is was commical but probably got lost as I never heard back.

When submitted to the international magazine I had some correspondence with the editor and they researched it to make sure it was unique then tested it. I got just one paragraph and their nice illustrations. But it works very well.

Put it up against the fish-n-fool. (DARE) Also it should compare favorably to the power knot also know as the Berkley braid knot but where the loop is put over the end like a palamar, not clipped off as Berkley origianlly published. These two knots likely are single purpose, super braids as I see problems in pulling them down in mono but they have similiarities in strength.

The trick to get a strong knot in braid is to overcome two places of failure. One is the line cutting on the eye of the terminal, more than one wrap here helps cure that and then the lines cut themselves as the knot pulls tight. Multiple wraps to distribute the load stops the cutting of the wraps. In the Kramer Knot, post #22 in Knot Wars I think they got it wrong how about you? , there are like the fish-n-fool two wraps through the eye and then the knot has 4 parrallel lines to distribut the pressure of the knot. It has tested at 100% line strength but it does not pull down well in mono, thin mono maybe but the slickness of super lines allows it to pull down.

Well, sir, the challenge is there, not done until two TU knot makers face off- But only in super lines, you got me in mono, I think.

What do you think?

BTW, congratulation, I am using your knot in my mono for river fishing jigs and am pleased to meet someone else who enjoys working with Knotty issues.

[MTfishingrods]

Well Done Fish N Fool!!!!! I guess I am going to have to learn your knot.

[baitshop bill]

Sorry fish n fool but you rubbed me the wrong way when you were so pompous about your knot. LOOK powerpro.ca/powerpro/knots.htm It's a uni knot. Nothing new.

[MTfishingrods]

Sorry Typed before thinking.

Edited by MTfishingrods, 10 February 2009 - 06:00 PM.
Not going to ruin a good thread by commenting on a childish post.

[justwannafish]

baitshop bill -
I'm sure you could probably teach me a thing or two about tackle, tackle making, line tying, and fishing in general, but c'mon, give the guy a break.

Fish_N_Fool presented a knot last year for us to look at. Personally, I like the polamar knot, I have way to many thumbs for the fish_n_fool knot and so far the polamar hasn't failed me. But it appeared Fish_N_Fool had a serious knot. The original post was read by a lot of readers and there were several comments. I don't remember anything negative.

About a year went by and we hear that his knot was going to be on Knot Wars. Fish_N_Fool was as excited as if it was his kid in the Olympics. I totally understood his enthusiasm. When nobody jumped up to congratulate him he came back and basically said "Hey, what's up? Every time someone posts a new bait people come out of the woodwork to congratulate him/her." Fish_N_Fool made it to the big time and just wanted a little recognition.

So you've tied his knot in the past, big deal. You've found a reference to your claim that Fish_N_Fool's knot was already in use somewhere, so what. Do you think that the first person to come up with the idea of the wheel is the guy that got credit for it? Who knows. The fact remains the wheel is a great invention. Nobody made any money on the concept but it's still a great concept. Fish_N_Fool isn't trying to make money on the knot and he even acknowledged that it was a variation of something already out there. It stands to reason that someone else may have been tying it. But did they share it with anyone? Maybe a fishing budy or two. Fish_N_Fool shared it with as many people as modern technology allowed. If it were me, I'd be just as excited. Give the guy a break. If you don't like the attention he's getting come back after his fifteen minutes is up.

Sorry to rant but Fish_N_Fool deserves credit for bringing a great knot to the masses. Baitshop Bill, you sound like you're just trying to say, "Hey look at me, too." First you have to add something positive. Show us something we can use. Fish_N_Fool may even be among those patting you on the back.

moderators -
I hope this doesn't get me kicked off the forum. If it does, let me apologize before I'm gone and say thanks for all I've learned. I've enjoyed learning from some great teachers.

Dave

[keith combs]

Well said Dave, I have been thinking on how to say something about the negative post without making it personal now I don't have to.

congrats, fishnfool

Keith

[diemai]

@ Fish_N_Fool

Also I'd like to congratulate to your success , you've finally made it !

greetz , diemai

[Fish_N_Fool]

First off;
I would like to say thank you to all of you that have given well wishes.
I am very grateful to T.U. for being able to share my knot with the other T.U. members when I posted this here a year or so ago. I have been a long time member here at T.U. going on 6 years plus some I think and have always posted general info that I thought might help somebody. If it hadn't been for my post here at T.U. I would not be getting all the publicity I'm getting now. Plus it's nice to know that Steve pennaz from the N. American Fishing Club comes here to T.U. for his info, since this is the only place I have had this posted in the last year, since I shut my website down. So now the good news.
I have been called by almost every newspaper in the area who want to do stories about me and my knot, I have been called by Outdoor sporting shows that want me to come speak and demonstrate my knot. I'm doing a local show this weekend "The Outdoor Sporting Expo" here in N. Idaho at the Sandpoint, Id. fairgrounds. I spoke at a local bass club tonight about my knot and the upcoming show on TV and the Expo. One of the members was a guy from Cabela's near here and he asked me to speak at a fishing seminar they have coming up in a few weeks. So for me life is good and I really owe it all to TU.
Now my only comment to B.S. Bill is I developed this knot 4 years ago and have been telling people about ever since. I have not promoted it in any way other then putting it out in public domain for all to use, even you. The Folks at N. American fisherman took my knot and used it without me even knowing they did till I saw it on TV. My Fish-N-Fool knot is a modified uni knot like I said in my original post if you bothered to read it. The knot you showed in that post is not a Uni knot. A true Uni has one wrap on the hook and 4 wraps around the loop. What is shown on that page is a Fish-N-Fool knot, Nice to see them using a good idea.
If somebody else invented this before me they didn't post in for all to see or put a name to it. Like I said before I didn't reinvent the wheel here, but now that's its rolling along nicely I think I'll go along for the ride.
Tnx to all Fish-N-Fool

Edited by Fish_N_Fool, 11 February 2009 - 01:51 AM.

[JBlaze]

Congratulations, this is one of the few times I have visited this part of TU. I have never seen the Fish n Fool knot before. About 90% of the time, I have always used the Polamor knot and have been happy with it. I am goint to give your knot a try. Thanks for sharing it with us. If I am not mistaking, it only takes a 10% change in a patented invention and you have something new that you can call your own. Surely, that extra wrap would be more than a 10% change in the Uni Knot. As far as I'm concerened, You deserve the credit.
John

[midmoskier]

Congrats on your entry! I tie the Uni-knot which seems to be the same as yours & have used it for years, it has even been successful of breaking some heavy wire jig hooks off while fishing deep timber.