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[northsea]

Hi all, how goes?
I've just discovered this french revolution!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhzqbdGWC6Y&feature=related

These swim great but wondering if I can somehow make my own spoon heads to save some bucks.
I reckon I could easily use a small spoon not sure about the connection to the hook or best way to add lead.

Here is a link to take a closer look at the fellas I'm talking about
Sharnbrook Tackle

It is the second last item

Any input on this greatly received.
Chris

[cadman]

Chris,
Very interesting and innovative. You are probably better off buying them direct. The cost for a mold and the spoon and the clip on the back would be very expensive to make. The other thing is if you do go that route, make sure this isn't patented, because if you sell them , you might get sued.

[Vodkaman]

Man! I just cannot believe that has not been done before.

Dave

[northsea]

Ok, thanks.
Just to confirm this is for my own personal use I am not interested in selling these on.
I'm quite happy to buy the actual body but would prefer to make my own spoon thingys.

I have made a few molds myself for lead pours but not for jig heads etc. so am quite prepered to have a go at that also.
It's just trying to attach the "spoon" to the hook I am having trouble getting round unless I do go for some type of clip.

Chris

[diemai]

@ northsea

Absolutely cool design and great action , but for a reproduction you'd need tools and skills for working with metal .

You'd need to build an accurate aluminium mold for the blade connected to the rear wireform to fit in and then bonded by the molten lead , that you pour in .

As blades you could probably use willowleaf spinnerblades with one tip cut off ?

Or you cut your own blades from sheet metal with shears , 0,5 mm stainless steel , 1,0 mm brass and 1,5 mm copper cut quite easy , with only 0,5 mm thicker it could get to an nasty effort !



One brief idea :

Cut blade in about the shape of a shovel blade , triangular as shown , but with a slender extention at its rear .

There should be two or three holes in line in that extension to guide the wire form through to somehow sit reasonably rigid .

Take an teardrop shaped inline sinker , extend the center hole at its fatter side maybe halfway down for the blades extension to fit in .

Also cut a slot centered and aligned to the hole for the base of the blade to fit in.

You can lead the wire all way through the hole to bend the attachement hook on its rear and epoxy all together .

Its just a brief idea from afar , it stands and falls with the required size of that leadhead , if too tiny , there won't be enough room for this construction .

Also it is PITA to cut lead with a metal saw , you need to clamb it somehow , and it will squeeze together !

Maybe put a nail or similar into the center hole to keep it open ?

That leadhead , if it should work out that way , would surely get to look very ugly due to all toolmarks on it , but this is the only way , that I can think of on a short term , at low cost and without the need for a mold .

good luck , diemai

[KcDano]

That has been done before! Take a look at a Lazy Ike Wig-L-Jig Same idea they have changed it a little by turning the spoon around

Edited by KcDano, 13 February 2009 - 01:20 PM.

[Zib]

I like the action on that thing.

About 15 years ago I bought a jig very simular to that one. The only difference was the one I had the lip was narrower & the jig itself was lighter & painted. The one I bought came with a curly tail rigged on it. I don't ever remember using it though. I may still have it in my old tackle box that's burried in my basement. If I remember I'll look for it & post a picture if I find it.

BTW, have you ever seen a Scrounger Head?

Edited by Zib, 13 February 2009 - 01:22 PM.

[Vodkaman]

I bet that would real nice with one of Bojons tubes trailing behind it. Maybe with the tails cut to 3/4 the length of the body or even longer.

Dave

[smalljaw]

It sort of reminds me of the berkley blade dancer, the scoungers are more of a chatterbait type lure. I would like to find that plastic body thats being used on that jig, if anyone knows where I could get some of those I'd appreciate it.

[northsea]

As far as I have seen this is the only site you will get them from an English site.This is uk I'm afraid. There are plenty of places in Franch if you can speak the lingo.

Sharnbrook Tackle

[turkeylegs1246]

If you feel like tinkering, you could take an egg sinker, an Indianna blade and a duo-lock snap and come close...I think.

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Saw a slot thru an egg sinker parallel thru the hole for the line. Ensure that the slot is deep enough to allow 2/3 of a duosnap to extend past the slot. Enlarge the hole in the egg sinker to allow insertion of a duo-snap. Drill another hole in an Indianna blade opposite the end from existing hole. Attach a duo-snap onto the blade. Pass the duo-snap attached to the extra hole in the blade thru the slot cut in the egg sinker and attach the hook of your choice. Close the egg sinker around the Indianna blade with a C-clamp or vise. Attach a o-ring for a line tie and attach a bass assassin or other plastic eel/worm onto the hook /duo-snap assembly.

Most likely you'd have to increase the diameter of the hole thru the egg sinker to allow passage of the duo-snap. I'd only increase the hole only to where it reached the slot cut in the egg sinker.

Don't hold the Indianna blade by hand when you drill an extra hole. The drill is likely to bind in the blade and pull free. That could result in nasty cuts to your hand/fingers.

Likely there is something better than a duo-snap to attach to the blade and attach a hook.

Edited by turkeylegs1246, 15 February 2009 - 09:52 AM.
spelling errors

[turkeylegs1246]

Post Posting idea...

Rather than using a duo-snap, one could bend a wire to connect the blade directly to the egg sinker and hook. Perhaps like you would attach a spinner body to a spinner?

[turkeylegs1246]

Tried making a prototype:

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Kinda, sorta, similar?

[northsea]

Extremely interested in what you did here!
Any possibility of making these photos bigger so I can see clearer?

Thanks a lot

Chris

[turkeylegs1246]

Photos are edited when you attached them to a certain size. Might be able to link a photo?

[turkeylegs1246]

Not what I expected to make. The spinner blade/diving blade does not fit very securely. Wrapping an eye to attach the hook is difficult. I think it would catch fish though. W/O one of their lures to make a direct comparison....You're likely better off to order some.

[diemai]

@ turkeylegs1246

Great , this is in about what I tried to describe on page 1 of this thread , you put it to practice , but much more simple .

This is the only way to go on a short term without a lead casting mold .

I imagine that eye bending to be finacky , did similar on weight-forward spinners before .
To make it a bit easier , you might push some snugly fitting metal tubing(f. e. leader sleeve)over the two rear wire shafts and sharply kink one shaft forward over the rim of tube , snip it off and wrap the eye onto the second shaft .

Maybe also secure the lip with two crosswise wire pins through sinker and lip , but I guess , that just epoxying all together would be a lot more simple ?

greetz:yay: , diemai

[turkeylegs1246]

Rather than use metal tubing, I decided to use a hollow nickle bead. I only used it in the last protype and it did help bending the wire.

I'll play with what I've made at the lake before I play with that design anymore.....It looks great in the video...

[northsea]

Appreciate you guys sharing your opinion on this.
I think I'm going to have a go at making a casting mold for this.
I've made a few 2 piece molds for lead casting out of Cement and plaster.

I've been playing about with long shanked hooks (Aberdeen hooks) and feel that one of the best options for me is to attach the hook directly to the spoon by drilling a hole then attach the eye of the hook with wire then pop it in a mold and pour lead around it.

Not sure about best way to go about this though because of the shape of the spoon.

Here's one idea I have. The filled in black represents the cavity of the mold that would fill with lead.
Any thoughts on this?

Chris

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[diemai]

@ northsea

Why do you wanna cast in a rigid hook ?

Seems to me , that the loose connection between hookeye and cast-in wire hook(inside of the plastic bait)on the original lure is partly responsible for its outstanding flexible action displayed in that video .

And why do you want to take cupped metal lips instead of plane ones like the original lure obviously has ?

The cupped ones might only be harder to be fit repeatively into your mold , would even be tricky with plane ones .

I have made a similar mold before , to cast a leadweight onto a plane piece of sheet metal , but made it from aluminium , by routing .

Don't have any experience with molds of cement and plaster , but I am not quite sure , whether they'd be accurate enough to shape a slender cavity to accommodate that spoon lip ????

Well , just a few thoughts......!

good luck , diemai