Crankbait Bill Education Request
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Posted 18 March 2009 - 06:57 PM
I have searched the forum for threads containing any answers to my question / questions, but I think that just made me more confused.
Can someone provide me some education on length size, width, different shapes of bills , what effects or affects does each one of these provide?
I think that I have understanding of the angles, as of now.
This might change though.
Any and all statements / suggestions are welcome..
Thanks in advance.....
Posted 18 March 2009 - 07:40 PM
SR9, excellent question. Normally I would make the answer to this question overly complex, so this time I will not mention vortices (darn, I just did!). So, as long as you just accept that the lip creates side forces, that will suffice.
The width of the lip controls the speed of the action or side to side motion. The wider the lip, the slower the speed. The forces on the lip also cause roll. The wider the lip, the more roll is generated. There comes a point when the roll becomes too much and the bait will spiral or swim on its side and become unstable.
The length of the lip determines the power of the forces. These forces are balanced by the water forces on the body of the lure. A good analogy is a see-saw, were the balance point is the tow eye. On one side you have the lip forces, the other the body forces. If the lip forces are too strong, then the lip is pushed down. It will reach a point were it gets too far down and it will break out to the side and spiral.
This is why on deep diving lips, the tow eye is usually on the lip itself, so that part of the lip force is above the eye, helping to balance with the body. Fine adjustment of this position will get you the maximum depth.
As for the various shapes and patterns of lips, I canít really help you there. Some like round lips, some square, coffin shaped, etc. Skeeter wrote a few posts that discussed the various shapes. Here is some reading matter for you.
Hope I didnít complicate it too much, but I suspect that I did. Well, a few members here on TU actually specialize in translating my posts, so if you have a problem, just ask and help will be forthcoming.
Posted 19 March 2009 - 04:13 AM
Coley, thank you for that link it provided all the info anyone could ask for!
Posted 19 March 2009 - 08:10 PM
Thanks Vodkaman and Coley.
Is there really a difference between a round bill -vs- coffin bill?
Or is this just a personal preference type of thing.
From what I have read so far, it appears it all comes down to "deflectivity" -(new word) when comparing round and coffin bills.
But at this point, I know that I have a few things to learn.
Posted 19 March 2009 - 10:38 PM
Deflecting baits off rocks and stumps etc. is one of the finer points of fishing, endulged by professionals and connoiseurs of rod and line. As I am probably the worlds worst fisherman, I do not concern myself with such issues. I concentrate on lure action.
Action is a combination of many variables, of which lip shape is only a small part. You must also consider, body density, ballast location(s), eye location, lip angle, hook size and even choice of top coat and hook size.
I suggest that you build four identical baits and put a different lip shape in each one. Take them to the lake and let us know whether you could see any difference in the action between them.
Edited by Vodkaman, 19 March 2009 - 10:39 PM.
Posted 20 March 2009 - 12:52 AM
If you're willing to spent up to 20 bucks , I'd recommend the book "Crankbait Secrets" by Joe Bucher , a very comprehensive book about all aspects of crankbait fishing .
There is a chapter about lip shape and its effects containing as well .
Google it , you may find cheaper , second hand issues as well .
f. e. JOE BUCHER'S CRANKBAIT SECRETS. by Joe Bucher : Ray Riling Arms Books :
greetz , diemai