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Etex Problems.? Oily?
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Posted 08 May 2009 - 02:59 PM
Startin off saying THANKS to everyone, you all rock!
Ive been using D2ton and switched over to Etex. My finish seems to be oily when its cured. Ive let them sit for 3 days on the wheel and same results. When I touch them or rub them the finish gets cloudy.
This is my setup. Ive been very careful mixing.
-Syringes for rod building to measure etex.
-mixing with popsicle stick for 1-2min.
-mixing in NEW medicine cups.
-applying with a new flux brushes everytime.
-letting them turn on wheel for 12 hrs then sitting for 3days in 70 degree's.
any idea what I may be doing wrong?? Thanks fellas. Rick
Posted 08 May 2009 - 04:25 PM
also, The finish is not sticky. Just slick feeling and a hazy look to it.
Posted 08 May 2009 - 05:31 PM
After reading some other posts Ive noticed Im not the only one with this issue. Sounds like its a problem with the etex, not me? interesting... If so.. there goes another $25! lol
Posted 08 May 2009 - 05:53 PM
It reads like you have been very clinical in your approach. So you could be correct, something wrong with your batch.
It does not seem right that you should lose out on the deal. Contact the supplier and complain. Maybe do another test first, just to make sure.
Posted 08 May 2009 - 10:14 PM
I never mix my etex for less that 3 to 4 minutes. I think 1-2 minutes is probably insufficient and may be part of the problem. I would suspect that it might be not completely curing as a result. I'm surprised that your problem is not "sticky" spots on various parts of the baits.
Posted 08 May 2009 - 11:09 PM
When a Belgian friend introduced me to Etex years ago , he had seriously advised me to stir it very well for some minutes and also stated , that I should not use up the entire remainder in the mixing bin's bottom .
greetz , diemai:yay:
Posted 09 May 2009 - 12:57 AM
Thanks guys for the replies. Im going to try and take a decent picture of my lure and post it. To give you guys a better idea whats going on. I will try to mix another batch up,stirring no less than 4 or so minutes. I also emailed Etex about my situation. If anyone is interested, i will post the results on that aswell. Thank you, Rick:yay:
Posted 09 May 2009 - 01:45 AM
Here in Europe, many have had this problem. And someone got an answer from etex, and they said that they had a problem batch.
Here, a swedish lurebuilder, introduced his own lureepoxy, which solved the problem for many of us over here. Its very similar to etex.
Both etex and this new epoxy, I usually stir for 7-9minutes. I dont use syringes (I used to) but my finish always seemed a little stickier when I did. This was medical syringes and could have had something in them contaminating the mixture. The C&W epoxy also has the weight ratio instruction, and weighing is soo much easier than mixing by volume, IMO.
My last etex lures are pretty well hardened now, 3-4 months after they were finished...
Posted 09 May 2009 - 06:11 AM
I switched to E-tex and have only made up one batch,but I had the exact same problem.I only stirred mine for a couple minutes I will try longer next time .So far I
like D2T better.
Posted 09 May 2009 - 11:38 AM
Thanks for the info guys.
I agree on the D2T. My lures had a flawless, hard finish. The only problem is I make alot of lures and D2T is starting to get expensive. Im trying a new batch right now. Ill post the results. Thanks, Rick
Posted 09 May 2009 - 11:44 AM
Guys, I have said this before in other posts.
There has been (or is) a production problem with etex.
After applying and curing, the coat stays greasy (oily) and dull.
When I contacted the shop I bought it, after ruining some baits, it occurred there had been many complaints about etex lately. All the same problems, greasy and dull.
On the pic below you see what happens.
Left good etex, right bad etex.
I was told that the production company said there have been some issues concerning some production batches. If you have a "bad" package, the best you can do is mix the etex thouroughly and let it set for at least 5 minutes before applying. This way you have the best chances on a good result.
I'm not here to disgrace etex, I have used it with great results. I'm just telling my experiences and what I know about this problem.
Posted 09 May 2009 - 06:42 PM
Thanks Paul. I did read your post somewhere else after i posted my question. My apologies. I did mix a batch up today stirring for 5min and letting it stand for around 10 min. Its seems that the finish is going to turn out ok. The only problem I had was the etex was setting up WAY to fast and it was like applying cement. I hit it with my heat gun and it loosened up enough to aply an even finish. Also, thanks for the picture, thats EXACTLY was my baits look like. Rick
ps. nice lookin lures too bud:yay:
Posted 09 May 2009 - 09:34 PM
Here's something you might want to try;
Bend a loop in 1/16" steel wire, and cut it to the size of a drill bit. Now after carefully measuring the Etex, use the wire in a drill at a low speed to mix it for a minute or 2.
No contamination from a wood mixer and the blend will be complete and total, with hardly any air bubble. Let it sit, covered for about 10 - 15 minutes, (Thanks Fat Fingers) then apply.
I used this method on a batch that was over 5 years old, and it set very nicely.
Posted 09 May 2009 - 11:25 PM
Not true. 1-2 is fine. I have done a zillion baits to prove it.
Etex, in general, is pretty forgiving. This is probably bad batch.
Edited by jameso321, 09 May 2009 - 11:26 PM.
Posted 10 May 2009 - 08:47 AM
Etex recommends 2 minutes of VIGOROUS mixing with its instructions. therefore, if you wish to split hairs, one minute of even vigorous mixing is probably insufficient. Note that I used the word 'probably' in my response, because when mixing for lure building a lot of guys do not like to mix the stuff too vigorously because it creates more micro bubbles in the stuff. Thus usually with less than "vigorous" mixing, at least 3 to 4 minutes would PROBABLY be in order.
Also kindly note that from what I read above, the author of the thread went back with apparently the same batch, mixed it longer and voila, problem solved.
Lastly, I'm not sure how one would describe etex as "forgiving." Fail to mix it properly or fail to mix it 50/50 and it will do anything but forgive you.
Sagging, fisheyes, a somewhat electrostatic dust-attracting charge when you first mix it (which tends to dissipate if you let is sit for about 10 minutes before application), and the need to torch the stuff to remove bubbles are among a number of the ways it could hardly be described as "forgiving".... and this board has a zillion questions about those problems to prove it.
Edited by fatfingers, 10 May 2009 - 08:49 AM.
Posted 10 May 2009 - 10:55 AM
Etex is a wonderful clearcoat and superior to D2ton in my opinion.
If you are measuring with syringes, stirring throroughly including the bottom and edges for a few minutes, and then applying, you should have no problems whatsoever.
I'm curious, is the unused portion in the dixie cup fully cured? If not in then it must be a bad batch. If so, then it is likely a result of something with the wood, the sealer, paint, etc.
I have done a ton of lures with etex and have yet to have the problem you are describing. If the problems continue, get another batch.
Edited by RiverMan, 10 May 2009 - 10:57 AM.
Posted 11 May 2009 - 06:57 AM
I used to have issues with Etex, and I had been using syringes to accurately measure the 2 parts. When I QUIT using syringes I quit having problems. I tried 2 different versions from 2 different suppliers and I think that many syringes must have some form of ??? to lubricate them that caused issues with both fish eyes and setting up properly.
But the example of those two baits seems to be more than just setting up properly, but I would really eliminate use of syringes first.
Posted 11 May 2009 - 10:22 PM
I use the Flexcoat 3cc syringes (thanks BorderBass), and have no problems at all. I've read here that some other syringes use silicone as a lubricant, but the Flexcoat syringes are for epoxy, so they have no silicone.
I haven't had a problem batch since I started using the Flexcoat syringe system.
Posted 11 May 2009 - 11:31 PM
That's the first I have heard about syringe problems, interesting. I buy mine at a local farm feed supply store and have never had a problem at all. They don't appear to have any lubrication on them though.
Posted 12 May 2009 - 07:43 AM
Thanks for the info Mark, I will give them a try because the ETEX does seem to be a little more demanding on the ratio of the mix and syringes seemed to be the way to go as I am usually doing a smaller volume.
And it may be the batch I got from Hobby Town were just faulty some how, but I certainly won't use them any more.