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Posted 17 July 2009 - 09:08 PM
Has anyone made some slopehead type crankbaits? I am trying a 2" version atm and was wondering if anyone had some experience with them or some photos for inspiration.
Posted 17 July 2009 - 10:32 PM
Do you mean with an angled front face, to help the lure dive without a bill, like a Slammer?
Posted 17 July 2009 - 11:16 PM
Yeah, thats the one. I saw that Fatfingers has some nice ones. I don't really need anything that big though. Can there be smaller sizes?
Posted 18 July 2009 - 01:28 AM
Such lures usually have a very "soft" action , when cranked , meaning that they would not wiggle rapidly like a lipped crankbait but rather come back in an irregular wave pattern , but with rod tip manipulation you can get some more out of them ,.... most likely .
If you want an improved wiggling action on straight retrieve , you need to achieve that by the body shape , which has to be curved downward in that case , the greatest extreme of this would be a "Banana" style lure(posted threads and gallery pics about these) .
Also I had found , that lures with a somehow "stepped face" , meaning , that they have more than only one plane , ("Swimming Mouse" , "Bomber", etc . check my earlier gallery uploads for my knock-offs , there are also more of other members in the gallery) , have a more rapid wiggle compared to such with only a single headplane .
These kinda baits were amongst my earliest lures , just spindle-shaped with a tail taper and an about 45° cut-off face . In order of getting them to dive deeper I had tried to put a belly weight , but I had found this to minor the swimming action , so I rather always left them unweighted .
For further inspiration I'd advise you to visit some lure collectors sites , many lures of yesteryear were designed that way , to access some , please check
The Hard Bait Database
you can choose there between manufacturers and collectors sites .
I got to like some of such lure models quite a bit("Banana" lures , "Lucky 13") , they are quite simple to make and yet effective , even still 60 to 80 years after their introduction to the fishermen .
greetz , diemai:yay:
Posted 18 July 2009 - 06:06 AM
Hey, thanks for that info. It makes more sense to me now. I made one yesterday and it has a one faced slope less then 45 degrees. I tried it in the tub and it does an action almost like a jerkbait. It zig zags back and forth on movement. I thought it to be a pretty neat action. Definitly a functionable movement, but I think I am gonna play with angle and line tie some more....along with some more research on those. Thanks again!
Posted 18 July 2009 - 08:04 AM
Ok, went looking some more through your gallery deimai, and it is the "pullbait" type design I am speaking of. How do those normally fish for you as far as movement and depth?
Posted 18 July 2009 - 11:19 AM
I assume that you are refering to the flat-bodied type on page 16 of my gallery uploads , that I have named "Rolf's Wiggler" ,...... as I have uploaded another elongated simple pullbait on page 19 , which is made after a pattern download from :-:-: Lure Making :-:-: The Official LureMaking.com Website | Tackle Components | Lure Components | Lure Making Information | Lure Making Supplies , a Canadian component mailorder company .
Anyway , that "Rolf's Wiggler" has a weight embedded into deepest part of belly to let it hang afloat at rest with just the back sticking out a bit at horizontal level .
I fish it with long sweeps , it would than swing left-right a few times ,...... as the sweep ends and the line gets slack , it would dart just a little(maybe 1 1/2 body lengths) 90°offset to retrieve direction and slowly rise up again , before the angler generates the next sweep .
When worked with only short twitches , it would only make these short 90° offset sideward moves , of course one would have had to pull it down before .
It won't go much deeper than 4 to 6 feet max. that way , but I guess slowly sinking versions could be made as well .
Concerning line tie location my theory is , that the lower towards the nose the line tie sits , the softer the moves(or the longer and narrower the "left-right wave")would be , and the shallower it would run ,....... a tow eye placed further upward towards back of lure would work vice-versa , but only to a certain extend :
If placed too far upward , the pressure on the bottom part of the head plane(part below tow eye)would get too high and cause the lure to lay on its side , a tendency , that would have to be counterworked with more ballast in the belly(which might not be possible with an intended floating lure) !
A more pointed slope angle might let the lure dive a tad deeper , but would also make the moves softer , a more blunt angle vice-versa , I guess ??
That elongated pullbait also mentioned above does not have ANY wiggling nor trembling action , pull it and it just digs straight forward down , ........let rise , .....pull again , ......vieved from aside the lure would swim in a "sawteeth" pattern then(local pike go for it !) .
Such lures can be made quite buoyant(to be worked around weedbeds) or also be weighted to rise very slowly(to reach deepest possible range) , in this case I'd always weigh them in a way to hang VERY slightly head down .
good luck , diemai:yay: