just wanted to say thanks for the specs on those baits. It made turning the bait alot easier. The baits pretty close to yours but not quite yet, I will try another. How did you trim the lip down on this bait?
@ Jamie
At first I'd pencil four center lines down the length of the readily turned blank , these also meeting at the round front plane of the funnel-shaped front portion to make up for the lip(looks like the target cross inside of a rifle scope then) .
So virtually dividing the blank into quarters , making sure , that these pencil lines are positioned in a way , that one opposing pair of lines is located exactly parallel to the woodgrain , and the other pair 90° offset to the grain !
Now mark another line on the round plane on the front , parallel to the woodgrain and the corressponding center line and rather at the rim of the circumferrence ,..........this line is to mark in about the thickness of the diving lip at it's tip .
The lip plane HAS to sit PARALLEL to the WOOD GRAIN for maxium stability !
Now make two lines on either side of the funnel-like front portion , connecting both ends of previously drawn line with the narrowest diameter location at the end of the funnel , these lines meet at same spot with the crosswise-grain center line on top of the blank .
These lines I only make by eye balling , these lines on the side are only for "about" saw cut reference .
Now chuck the thickest edge(diameter) of the funnel in a vise , in a way , so that the line(s) on the side of it come to sit on one side of the vise vertically for a saw cut , tail of blank should point downward .
It does not matter , if you'd squeeze or blemish the wood blank in the vise chucked like this , as the particular loctions would be cut off , anyway .
Now take a wood saw and cut down that marked "slice" of the head cone of the blank , don't cut too close to the marked line to leave sufficient "flesh" for final grinding .
Now comes the hardest part , as I grind the diving vane to final shape on a 5" dia sanding disc , chucked into my lathe(a belt sander would surely do as well), 40 or 60 grit ! .
I must make sure , to hold the blank ABSOLUTELY in a repeatative horizontal position on every pass , when slightly pressing it against the wheel ,......... same time giving it a little "twist" from the wrist of my guide hand to achieve the little curved plane of the diving bill .
The small marker line near the bottom circumference parallel to the woodgrain serves as a reference for the lip plane to become paralell to it , also of course for thickness of the tip .
The pointed top end of the evolving lip plane should also come to sit centered to the previously marked center line on top of the bait .
These two should finally meet at the narrowest blank diameter level behind the cone lip portion of the blank .
And if one manages to sand over the entire curved plane in one fluid motion from the wrist , holding the blank absolutely horizontal , a nice homogene surface should evolve ,........ takes some practice , so one should leave enough material standing after the separating saw cut .
It requires good eyeballing down the curved plane to determine about little flaws , being uneven or somewhat twisted within , ........off course one might as well sand over such little imperfections by hand , or even utilize a "Dremel" with a sanding drum ???
AFTER your lip plane is done , put it on the workbench and eye ball down the center line at the belly ,...... due to making the lip plane , it might have gotten a little out of center now and requires re-marking to position the pilot holes of the belly eye screws accurately centered .
At the end make sure to break all edges of the diving plane thoroughly .
At first read this must sound very complicated , but it really isn't , once you get the hang of it , probably you might also find a little different solution , but this is the way , that I do it !
Thanks for the reply, I tried to pm you about this but for some reason my pm is not working( I dont mean to keep writing for directions on your thread and getting off topic, sorry for that)but its the only way to get some direction for right now. I must have made a bad pass on the sander the lip was off a bit. It will take a couple more tries but I will get it right. Thanks for your help ole buddy
Don't worry about "off topic"(which isn't IMO , as our "how to" discussion is a direct result of that video), no problem for me at all !
Yesterday I have also tried to PM an advanced member and the upcoming error said something like "the person is invalid to receive PM's" or something .....??????
The new site layout really requires some working over , I'd say !
Sorry about your blank spoilt , but I guess this tought you a lesson , .....it's a matter of high concentration and "bit-by-bit" work , don't attempt to go too fast shaping the lip ,........careful passes , eye ball checking , ......pass over the wheel again , etc.....!
If you accidentally put a little blemish into the blank , some wood putty would help ,.... but if the entire lip comes to lay in a wrong position or plane , there is nothing much you can do , ......except cutting it off and render the blank into a lipped lure or a prop bait !
Don't worry about "off topic"(which isn't IMO , as our "how to" discussion is a direct result of that video), no problem for me at all !
Yesterday I have also tried to PM an advanced member and the upcoming error said something like "the person is invalid to receive PM's" or something .....??????
The new site layout really requires some working over , I'd say !
Sorry about your blank spoilt , but I guess this tought you a lesson , .....it's a matter of high concentration and "bit-by-bit" work , don't attempt to go too fast shaping the lip ,........careful passes , eye ball checking , ......pass over the wheel again , etc.....!
If you accidentally put a little blemish into the blank , some wood putty would help ,.... but if the entire lip comes to lay in a wrong position or plane , there is nothing much you can do , ......except cutting it off and render the blank into a lipped lure or a prop bait !
good luck , Dieter
Thanks dieter, thats what happened, I sanded a slight pitch to the right and its just like cutting a lip slot that isnt square in a crankbait.
I haven't forgotten about my promise making a homemade spoons video , .............only took some time , .......it's never too late , though !
So here it is , sadly still of minor quality , .....just bought myself a little video camera , being an absolut computer dummy I've had a tough time getting all of the originally twelve video sequences from the camera together to make up for two clips and finally submit them onto "YouTube" .
Maybe also my PC memory capacity is too small , don't now , .........tried to utilize "pinnacle3"(a download from a friend) , but I could not get my camera uploads into that program to work on them , so I've tried my old "picasa3" , and I finally got it done , though dead slow !
I don't know , why sometimes the pixels run wild in that video , .....maybe next time I should do the filming with less pixel setting on the camera ?
Anyway , at least something is visible , .....and in general the picture focus quality is a bit better as on my older videos taken with my simple foto camera .
Hopefully I would be able to learn a bit more about all of these things to be able to produce better lure videos in future .
Thanks for the test video and for the following construction explanations.It was very informative. I couldn't help but think to myself while watching the test video, wouldn't it be too cool to have a 30 pound pike explode out of the water and snatch one of those lures right then! LOL !
Thanks a lot for your kind words , folks ,...... much appreciated , ............encouraging me to make some more test videos at times !
And Milia , .......I am filled with that very imagination as well anytime that I hold one of my freshly done homemades in my hands , ........great expectations , .......but sometimes do come true !
Very nice videos Diemai, I enjoyed them alot. Your spoons have a very nice swim and you are truly a master at the metal works of lure making.
Diemai I was just wondering do you still have the video that I seen on you tube awhile back of the swimbait / spoon that you made. The jointed spoon was an awsome bait and I couldnt find it again on the tube. This was also a great video of your spoons and would like to see this bait again. Great work as always and if you still have this video please post , thank you .
The link to that particular video is , you may also utilize the "YouTube" search funtion for my webname there , which is "61diemai" .
Thanks a lot for your interest , .......I'm planning on making more lure test videos in future , but right now I am pretty short of leisure time for making lures , all turned a bit slow with my carving presently !
The link to that particular video is , you may also utilize the "YouTube" search funtion for my webname there , which is "61diemai" .
Thanks a lot for your interest , .......I'm planning on making more lure test videos in future , but right now I am pretty short of leisure time for making lures , all turned a bit slow with my carving presently !
Thanks for the vid Diemai. I particularly like that you post all the baits, not just the ones that you consider successful. This helps us all learn and gains you more respect.
You sounded a little disappointed in the pike bait. It swam as I expected, with a fast wiggle. This being created by the lip. I am surprised that you did not try the bait without a lip. The body design looks perfect for lipless operation, which would have given a slower, more pronounced cadence.
It has a reasonable action, so I would not dare to suggest that you cut it off. Maybe try without the lip on the next one. If no action, it is easy to add a lip. You obviously have a very good 'feel' for lipless swimbaits, as demonstrated with the carp lure and your previous video.
I don't know how I missed this posting when you uploaded it, great video I really enjoyed your presentation thanks for making it available to us . Now you've done one, when will the sequel be ??.
Dave , actually I had built that pike swimbait WITHOUT a lip at first , weighted and blank-tested it that way in my bath tub as well !
Still I was aware right from the start , that possibly it might not work without a lip !
And it came out like this ,....... without a lip the first four to five sections did not move a single bit , rather more did cut straight through the water , .....only the rear two to three sections got into the "snaking" .
So I cut out a lip , cut two lip slots left and right of the center wire harness and fitted in the lip to just bind without glue and tried the lure again , ..........and it did snake very well now !
So I finally glued in the lip and proceeded the lure with paint ,-and topcoat .
Maybe the weight of paint and topcoats slow the action down a bit now , .......I am very certain , that in blank condition in my bath tub it moved a tad livelier !
But a good mate from a German site wrote to me , that a real pike does not swim along in that pronounced motions , so that lure action should just be OK close to the real thing , ........this does give me a bit of comfort !
I guess , that the problem with pike-shaped swimbaits is that the spindle shaped body cannot generate nor be moved sufficiently by those vortices ,.......... the considerable body width provides more resistance in the water to be easily pushed sideward by vortices and the minor body height also does not provide a plane large enough for an efficient engagement of the vortices !
It is a rather streamlined body shape , perfectly created by nature to enable the pike to do these short , but enormously fast dashes to grab its prey out of an ambush .
So not much resistance and friction in the water , thus not so many vortices to move a pike-shaped lure , ...........that's my own explanation ,.............though there are some luremakers , that have achieved beautifully snaking lipless pike swimbaits , .......my hat off to them !
Concerning displaying reject work , .......I do not have any problem with it , ........showing how things should NOT be done is equally worth compared to explanations , how something should be done correctly or successfully ,....... the learning effect is rather the same , I guess !
The joints of this particuar bait( I have shown them a while ago in my thread "swimbait blank pictures") did not provide a 90° swing of all four sections together(maybe only 80°) , but the problem of this bait is rather it's high weight , I guess , .......... meaning that the basic (teakwood) material is not buoyant enough to carry the weight of the sheet metal hinges and still accommodate sufficient belly ballast .
If I hazard a guess ,........ if being made of a lighter material , it would have performed better as it would have been possible to trim it more perfectly with belly weight .
Anyway , gonna try it in a twitching manner , packed it in my boat lure box , ........perfect to fish my prefered water at up to 45 feet deep in autumn , as it sinks like a brick .
@ PhilB
Sorry , Phil , .....I am slowly getting fed up with making those elaborate swimbaits , ........at least for a while , ........guess , that my next vid will be about homemade spoons again , ........but definetely there will be more to come !
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