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Posted 20 February 2004 - 11:25 PM
Does anyone know what type of wood the original SPS Flatfish was made out of? Also, were they weighted?
Posted 21 February 2004 - 06:34 PM
Hey Riverman, the SPS Flat Fish I think was introduced in 1930 by Charlie Helin. His Company was Helin Tackle Company. They stopped production on that lure and from what I was told they were difficult to find for a long time. However Worden has the rights to this lure and is currently producing it. It is a Banana looking lure that has some AWESOME ACTION! A lot of times this is trolled for Lake Trout, but it is a Multi Species lure! Hope that helps. But Skeeter I dont know anything else on that,,, from what I hear and its not the most reliable, is that info was safeguarded very well and kept a secret! (???? I dunno ???) But Riverman You can see it at the Bass Pro Shops website:
Posted 21 February 2004 - 07:39 PM
OH yes, the flatfish, kwikfish, I have probably a 100 of them varying from an inch long to over 6 inches in length. This is the "go to" lure here for chinook. All of mine are made of plastic. The info you provided is interesting Bass as I wasn't aware the lure had that long of history. I shaped a bunch of these out of cedar a few months back but kind of lost interest in them since then. I found them a bit difficult to get running correctly, would like to give it another try tho.
If you would like me to Skeeter I would be happy to float some and pass on the info to you.
Posted 22 February 2004 - 02:28 PM
Is this the lure in the bottom right of the pic Skeeter?
Posted 22 February 2004 - 03:03 PM
Here is a old FlatFish that I still use, it is of the wood variety. You wanted to know what type of wood was used and if they have weight added. This lure has extensive crazing and in most cases, when a lure with a lead plug added has that much finish crazing there is a noticable ring around the lead; I see no evidence of any weight. I can't see enough of the wood grain to even hazzard a guess as to what type of wood it is. I hope this helps you some!
Posted 22 February 2004 - 10:58 PM
this lures are great for trout fishing...here in Chile, theese are known as "caimanes".
i'm also looking for some information abot wood types and weight to make my own....but nothing yet but i'll keep looking and share anything i can
Posted 23 February 2004 - 11:37 PM
Sorry in getting back late to yall. I have a customer that wants some made. It is not really my cup of tea. But he really wants me to make them for him. He sent me one of his better ones for a pattern today. The thing weighs nothing, like it is made out of balsa. It doesn't appear to be weighted in any way. He said that he thinks the originals were made of basswood. I have never messed with basswood, but it makes sense with as light as the original is. This will be a bit of a challenge since the lip and the body are made out of one solid piece of wood. Everything will have to line up just right. Will eyescrews hold in basswood?
Posted 24 February 2004 - 12:29 AM
I'm glad you are taking on this challenge Skeeter as I am curious as to whether you can get the things to work. I carved quite a few and to my eye they looked perfect in every way and I still have trouble getting them to run. Be aware when water testing them that they are a bit "freaky" and even those that have been purchased do some weird things at times. These lures operate right on the very edge of "too much wobble" and are thus ready to blow out at any moment. Please come back with to the group with how things turn out for you.
Posted 24 February 2004 - 03:17 AM
Will do Jed. I lined this client up with someone that does the flatfish, but he wants me to do it. I look at it as a challenge. Maybe we will see just how good or bad of a bait maker I am.
Posted 25 February 2004 - 09:16 PM
well then, if your designs work fine let us know how you make them ok....
Posted 25 February 2004 - 11:20 PM
My customer talked to Henlin. Seems the originals were made out of balsa. Some work is going to have to be done to re enforce where the eyescrews go. I know how to strengthen the balsa, but it seems to me that since the lip and the body are a one piece wood that the lip could really take a beating if it is a bait that is used to dig. I'll keep you guys posted. I really don't do these kind of baits, but it will be a break from the usual type of work. Kinda looking forward to it. I am finishing up some 20ft. deep divers for some customers this week and should get started this weekend on it.
Posted 25 February 2004 - 11:27 PM
You know here in the Northwest guys have been using flatfish forever. I was always told these lures were originally made to be trolled in lakes. Here guys buy literally thousands of them in size 14, 15, and 16 for chinook, these are huge lures. Smaller sizes are bought up by the summer-time fisherman who like to take out the "family" and catch a few trout in the lake. These lures are not casted and "cranked" typically, at least not that I have ever seen or heard of so I wouldn't expect to build them to hold up to such conditions.
If you are going to build them from balsa, what if you secure your screw-eyes into a piece of wooden dowel, maybe 1/4 inch stuff, and then drill out the balsa to accept the dowel. The dowel would then be glued with epoxy...this would make for a very strong set-up and could easily be accomplished. Just a thought...
Posted 26 February 2004 - 12:19 AM
Have you every used super glue and Baking soda to add strenth and hardness to a finished shape..you really don't need the baking soda if your not in a hurry and just soak it and let it dry..
warning...when you add the soda you will get a reaction the soda will get very hard and should bond to the wood.. so don't make anything more than a dusting or you will have more sanding to do..
BTW I have a few of these baits made from both cedar and balsa.. in the Flatfish and the Lazy Ike..
Posted 26 February 2004 - 12:38 PM
i was looking for some info over the internet and i foun this model...is not the same, but i think it can be mofified......i hope this helps
Posted 26 February 2004 - 12:51 PM
the other day i bought one of this lures and aparently the lip is not from the same piece, its attached to the rest of the lure so, maybe the body can be mado of balsa and the lip from other, strongest an more resistant wood..(by the way the lure that i bought is plastic but it works fine) maybe you can experiment with this
Posted 27 February 2004 - 10:35 PM
Thanks for the drawing and all of the help. Thanks to the rest of you too. We got 18 inches of snow here last night, so I might be a little slow in getting out to my shop to do some work. But, I should have the body finished next week sometime. I have an original from my customer. I need to take it to the water to see how this thing swims. Then after I get mine done, I can compare them. Thanks again fellas.
Posted 29 February 2004 - 06:58 PM
What size was he looking for ? I have a "few" bodies . These came from a Helin employee along time ago , thats the story anyway .
Posted 02 March 2004 - 05:28 AM
Hold tight. You might be the answer I am looking for. Let me check with my customer. He might be very interested in what you have. If so, I will pass the job to you if you are interested.
Posted 02 March 2004 - 08:31 AM
Just let me know . I can send you the bodies if need be . We can figure something .
Will it be flexcoat or devcon ??????