Any homemade lure making machines?
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Posted 22 November 2008 - 12:30 PM
I did fail to mention that that timespan included inserting wire and weight which are quite time consuming too but are not necessary for a blank. So that was a poor choice of wording and an incorrect discription of a blank. However, making a blank to mount requres its own engineering for the machine (further down describes the blank). Nevertheless, if you can cut/carve/and sand smooth a 3 segment bait (without wires and weight) in 20 min you are pretty darn good and very efficient.
My bluegill has 2 V shaped hinges and a hinge for the tail section. The hardest thing I encountered when doing this bait by hand is cutting these V hinge areas into the lure, just being barely off on these cuts causes a bait to lack perfect angles. Each hinge is made using 2 twisted wires (like what is shown for the hook placement). I was also using aspen, which is quite hard. The bulging belly of my gill holds weight/ rattle (so this section is cut in half, borred out, glued and resanded). The head of the bait has similar weighting. This bait has more definition then what meets the eye on the picture (defined gill plates) , which makes replicating by hand quite time consuming.
The beauty of the copycarver is that it gives me a rough start on all the definition of this bait.
My blank is actually the same size as the block of wood I start with and each segment of the lure is spaced with iron rods (so that instead of mounting each section and only cutting one segment at a time, I cut all 3 without re-mounting the blank more than twice (1 for each side). I'm mounting the blank right now w/ those insert nuts (that you pound into the wood base) so that it doesn't wobbled when cutting. Any imperfection in mounting of either the blank or the wood block results in an imperfect replica.
The guy that designed the copycarver actually does fish replica mounts, which is why I thought it would be perfect. Its easier to make details on a 25" salmon than it is on a 4.5" bluegill using this machine.
As much as I hate to admit it, I'm going to convert this bait to a plastic mold. I figure by doing this, I'll achieve a smooth surface (ready for paint), have my weight/rattle and wire for each section poured in. Haven't messed w/ plastic mold stuff yet, so thats a separate adventure.
I hope to get pics of this soon.
Posted 25 November 2008 - 01:17 AM
A-Mac, in hind sight, my comments read a little harsh, sorry about that.
The stuff I am carving does not compare to the work you are doing. Mine are one piece, 2.5" bodies with no relief work, so 20 mins from block to slot and holes drilled, is reasonable.
Have you considered cutting the VEE shapes with a router (table mounted), quick and accurate. I'm sure I read recently of another TU member doing this method.
Some people like the carving stage, I am not one of them, this is why I am putting so much effort into the carving machine.
The machine I am working on will cut at 28 seconds per inch. The master screw is 14 threads per inch (tpi) and the machine is geared so that the stock is turning twice as fast, 2:1 geared. So the distance between cuts will be 0.036" (0.9mm). So I will expect to have to skim over the machined body with some 150 grit, to remove the ridges.
If I get the m/c to work, I may experiment with the gearing, to reduce the ridges, but this means BIG sprockets (chain drive).
Good luck with your project and get those pics up!
Posted 27 November 2008 - 11:08 AM
Thats a super Idea and machine, I have only one question. What kind of setup (Jig) do you have for placing and locating the bill in the proper position for the proper depth you desire????
Posted 27 November 2008 - 12:31 PM
Jigman2. The nature of the beast is that you cannot rely on the machined lure being square to the stock block, because the stock is loaded by hand.
So after cutting the blank from the stock and finishing the ends. The blank will be loaded into a 2pc resin mold. This mold will have all the eye and ballast holes drilled in it, as a guide. Probably sleaved to reduce wear. Also the lip slot, again lined to reduce wear.
A short visit to the band saw to cut the lip slot. Collared drills to control the depth of the holes. This should control consistency without effort.
This is the plan anyway.
Posted 06 December 2008 - 07:16 PM
here is my copy carver
Images oversized, linked instead
Edited by redg8r, 06 December 2008 - 07:35 PM.
Posted 06 December 2008 - 07:53 PM
oops. my bad. didn't see that it was oversized 'til after i had posted.
Posted 07 December 2008 - 05:38 PM
this is about what the lure looks like after both sides have been cut. Timed myself this time. It took about 35min to cut both sides, which is longer than I had expected. As you can see in the pics, lots of sand work still needs to be done. The only advantage of this machine is giving me guidlines to cut the defined portions of the bait and I don't have to use a saw for anything more than hacking off a chunk of wood. Overall, I wouldn't waste time building this one. I can see where it would be cool to do something big and just use a router bit that is more coarse. Like I said, the guy that did the plans to build this machine does larger replica fish mounts and not 5" bluegills.
Posted 07 December 2008 - 08:24 PM
i have been searching for a machine to turn baits for a long time. after i watched this video for the 237th time, i gotta have one. would someone please tell me where i can get plans to build one?
Posted 07 December 2008 - 09:57 PM
A-Mac, I really liked the machine. Although I wouldn't make one myself for cutting bodies, it has given me an idea for cutting lips.
Posted 24 December 2008 - 12:28 AM
Welcome to TU AhmedWali.
I tried your links. Two of the links were pay sites. One didn't work and the other linked me up to screw fix, a tool shop with no duplicator machines.
Links are better if they take you directly to the object in question, directly, without further searches being required.
Posted 10 January 2009 - 03:11 PM
Vodkaman, How is the progress coming along? I find myself having a long break. Drawing made up and parts been ready for assembly for about two months now. Kind of like most of my projects I rush into when I think about it.
See if I get some time to work on it in next weekend.
Posted 10 January 2009 - 04:34 PM
My design is completed, I have all the parts and was about to start construction. Unfortunately, family problems meant I had to return to UK for a couple of months. I should be returning to Indonesia in 3 weeks time, when work will commence.
I am going with a router to start with, but the design is easily adaptable to change to the angle grinder with saw blade (as featured in Jerry's Duplicator machine).
First builds for me tend to take time, as I spend too much time staring at things. Also, rather than building a simple prototype, to test the ideas, I have designed it to completion, including guards, dust extraction, auto reverse, micro switches and control electronics. So the build is going to take more than a few hours.
I will keep you informed with results, positive or negative.
Posted 11 January 2009 - 08:08 AM
Pete - Google will translate for you.
This link should be a copy of a translation from Finnish to English. Some words do not get translated but you get the gist of the site.
Translated version of http://www.kalastus.com/keskustelu/messages/16/73087.html?1128772232=
Posted 16 January 2009 - 05:15 AM
Thanks 'Smallie', makes for interesting reading, and as the photos show, like us, they are all around it, but too, seem to be having problems with which cutter to use. I have been reading some patents, and there is a Russian guy with some interesting ideas on cutters etc.pete
Posted 18 January 2009 - 03:16 PM
I've looked and can't find it saw it last year but not now.
were is the link on how to build a fluid bed?
I need to build a bigger one for some bigger parts .
Posted 18 January 2009 - 03:49 PM
I don't recall a thread on actually how to build one. But one year ago, I had no interest in the subject and may have missed it. If someone could post a link, I too would be very interested.
Posted 18 January 2009 - 07:11 PM
I believe it was before the server crash, it was pretty detailed and had pics, may have been 2+ years ago?
I can vaugley remember the post and it was by someone who used to post alot and hasnt been around in a while.
Posted 27 January 2009 - 01:57 AM
Delw, you get my email?