I'll take all 3 thank you!
Looks like I will have a line of 3 different top-coats that folks can use depending on their needs...
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The New Dick Nite Topcoat
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Posted 03 December 2010 - 09:54 AM
I'll take all 3 thank you!
Posted 03 December 2010 - 11:13 AM
I'm wanting to try the new formula as well. Also interested in the "liquid plastic". Would like to know more about it.
Posted 03 December 2010 - 11:36 AM
I would like to try the new DN2 and the liquid plastic. Great news on the old formula too! What a great early christmas presant this is!!!
Posted 03 December 2010 - 01:29 PM
I'm trying to figure out what all the excitement is over a coating that can't withstand a 24 hour water soak. You can coat a lure with Devcon and sink it for weeks with no ill effects. Your typical rapala, lucky craft, storm, or luhr jensen lure you could leave in the water a month and it would still be fine. I tip my hat to Dick for looking for a better coating but thus far this product has not demonstrated durability in water.
Edited by RiverMan, 03 December 2010 - 01:33 PM.
Posted 04 December 2010 - 11:53 AM
Couldn't have said it better myself Jed and also I know that people like Jed and myself who can't wait the 12 to 14 days for a cure because of customer demand, can't try something like this until proven better. If it won't hold up to these simple tests, how will it possibly hold up to Musky teeth???? Nothing against Dick, just stating facts.
Posted 04 December 2010 - 12:43 PM
I think having choices is the best of all worlds. Those who are more concerned about the user-friendliness of topcoats, or guys who paint with lacquers may be happy with the water borne DN2. Those for whom water resistance is paramount may want to stick with original moisture cured DN1 or something similar. Include me in the second group. All said and done, I want to build crankbaits that are at least as durable as the most durable commercial wood crankbaits.
Posted 04 December 2010 - 02:16 PM
That's why they make so many flavors of ice cream. So everybody can get what they want.
Posted 05 December 2010 - 10:48 AM
Riverman I think all the excitement is about having choices and that we have a person like Dick who is a manufaturer that is interested enough to ask our opinions and take them to heart. The main problem with clearcoats and all the discussion on this site is that there is no such thing as the perfect clearcoat for every situation. I personally paint for customers as well as for myself, I have DN1 mastered, I have no problem with the storage issues, I also was chosen by Dick to test DN2 and it may work for many of the folks on here but not myself. I can't wait 12 days, I can usually turn a customers baits in a few days. We are all aware of Dick's procurement issues for DN1 so when he went to a new formula that obviously worked for his needs in his business, he could have stopped there but he didn't he is continuing to strive for a higher quality product and this is costing him a lot of money, in effect he is just like most of us, not settling for "good enough". My hat is off to him! I am really happy he has figured out a new DN1 formula that will satisfy my 1st step in my personal clearcoating procedure. KEEP ON ROCKIN DICK NITE and THANK YOU FROM ALL OF US!!!!!!!!!!! P.s. I NEED MORE DN1 ASAP
Posted 05 December 2010 - 12:00 PM
Count me in for both the new and the original.
Posted 05 December 2010 - 02:42 PM
Lets not forget that TU is by design a platform for us lure builders to discuss various products and methods for building better lures. My comments have nothing to do with Dick personally, I am strictly commenting as a lure builder on the characteristics of DN2. Several years ago I tried a water based urethane and it behaved just as Bobv described DN2 in his test. After getting wet, it got soft, clouded, and was no longer impervious to water.
Posted 05 December 2010 - 04:25 PM
Just to clear the air a bit, I have been divorced twice, so it takes quite a bit to hurt my feelings. <grin>
I really appreciate ALL the comments and help - nothing that is said here could do anything but make the process / product better!
I too used the early water-born clears (along with GM, Ford, and a bunch more of us "early adopters") and absolutely HATED the performance. When I got this new (DN2) stuff going, I was really quite impressed with the difference between it and the original water based stuff - the dry-to-touch time was within ~12 hours, where that 1990's stuff was 3 - 5 days, the durability was fantastic in comparison (remember any GM / Ford products running around showing primer patches almost as big as the car?), and overall the user-friendliness was good.
That being said, I think this whole process has really cememted in my mind that there really is not ONE good top-coat... Hence my attempt to bring out a selection that will more fully fill the needs of the tacklemakers our there.
I really do appreciate ALL of your comments and help - if we keep discussing both the positive AND negative results obtained, we might just get this thing whipped!
Thanks again guys!
Posted 05 December 2010 - 05:38 PM
I'd be interested in DN1 and DN2.
Posted 05 December 2010 - 09:05 PM
I wish we had a coating that would do what epoxy does but in a safer version.
The perfect clear coat:
1. Can be dipped or brushed
3. Can be stored in any air tight container without loss of product
4. UV resistant, totally water resistant, and tough as epoxy
5. Water clear
Have you ever considered looking at many of the UV cure epoxies? Because they react to UV they don't have many of the toxic additives. They also dry hard as a rock almost instantly when expoxed to UV light. I have experimented with several of them with limited success but I know the right product is out there. The only downside I see being the need to purchase what might be an expensive light.
Edited by RiverMan, 05 December 2010 - 09:05 PM.
Posted 06 December 2010 - 01:39 AM
I'm on exwife #3, so I can relate. But I have 5 great kids from them, so I'm not regretting any of them.
Posted 06 December 2010 - 01:39 AM
Hey Jed -
Yes, I have explored UV Cured coatings a little for my own manufacturing needs. It wouldn't be something that I could add to my line of paints, as the main ingredient, as you pointed out, is the curing lights (and conveyor system, if needed). And you are correct, for anything but a sizeable manufacturing process, they are cost prohibitive. I haven't stepped up yet and don't see it in the near future. I know one manufacturer who put in a UV Cure system last year and it was over $100k.
Only a few of the larger tackle manufacturers that I know of use UV cured coatings, and even they don't use them on 100% of their lines - not sure why.
I'll keep trying to find that perfect top-coat! Believe me, with almost half a million lures coming out of my shop each year, I would love that as much as the next guy!
Posted 06 December 2010 - 08:27 PM
There are UV systems that are much cheaper than that. When I was looking I found several in the two thousand or under range and I suspect there are probably light systems in the hundreds that would work fine. They use UV epoxies on the bottom of surf boards and in some cases use only the UV from the sun to trigger the cure.
Edited by RiverMan, 06 December 2010 - 08:29 PM.
Posted 06 December 2010 - 10:05 PM
I'll have to look again - it was 10 years ago that I was looking.
Thanks for the input!
Posted 07 December 2010 - 12:01 AM
I am thinking of making my own UV lamp unit. I have to make one anyway, for electronic circuit boards and another etching project. I have built two UV units in the past, one for erasing eproms (electronics) and one foretching, but both these units got lost over the years. The price of being a nomad.
I just need to research the exact type of lamp required for epoxy curing.