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wood sealer issue
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Posted 07 March 2004 - 08:38 PM
Lately Ive been having a problem of the wood grain raising considerably after putting on my initial wood sealer Minwax polycrylic. Is there any way around this....(wood gets wet and swells) ????? Bob P
Posted 07 March 2004 - 09:01 PM
You know I tried that product too and was disappointed with the results I had. It seemed to me that it took much too long to dry and left a strange coating on the wood. The other day an expert lure builder that I met online told me he uses "Bullseye Spray on Shellac". I bought some of this stuff and absolutely love it! I bought mine at Home Depot but have since noticed it for sale in other hardware shops. The stuff sprays on with ease, dries completely in 15 minutes, use two coats, great stuff! It costs about 5 bucks a can.
Posted 07 March 2004 - 09:25 PM
Not so fast. I tried that last year for awhile. The problem I had was since createx paint is acrylic and Bullseye is oil based. The paint peeled off in huge chucks even with devcon coating after using the baits for awhile. Had it happen to at least 3 nice paint jobs. I learned dont mix acrylic with oil based. Thats why I tried the polycrylic. Still looking. Bob P
Posted 07 March 2004 - 10:32 PM
Hey robertjp, if you think the oil base was the problem
of your water based paint peeling, why do you suppose
it only happened on 3 baits? My guess would be that
water leaked into the bait through an unsealed
spot and allowed moisture to collect and swell the
bait causing the problem. I use oil base sealer and
primer and have not had any problems of this nature.
No baits that I have sold have been returned to me
with any problems. I like Kilz original primer because
of the volume of high build solids.
Posted 07 March 2004 - 10:47 PM
I didnt wait around for it to happen again so I switched. This polycrylic works ok except for the raised grain issue. What other alternatives are out there? BP
Posted 07 March 2004 - 11:02 PM
Hmmm, the directions on the back say "this product can be top-coated with any paint or varnish-aerosol or liquid, oil-based or water based". That pretty much covers everything doesn't it? I have to admit tho that I have used it on only a couple baits but the guy who told me about it is posting on this board now I think, wiggle bait company....maybe he will chime in here.
Sorry I couldn't help ya.
Posted 07 March 2004 - 11:11 PM
The minwax takes several (min 3) coats with sanding in between. Did you do this? Have used a couple of minwax products with very good results (see unfinished flat side pics in earlier post, gallery). I sand lightly after about the third minwax coat, then flexcoat, then shoot createx.
It's all about the layers...
Posted 07 March 2004 - 11:16 PM
Here is a sealer Lincoya put me on, it's called
Prep, all-purpose Sealer, from Delta Creamcoat.
Prepares wood and other porous surfaces for paint.
It is waterbased and does a good job. You can put it
on with a brush. Dries in less than an hour, ready
Posted 07 March 2004 - 11:25 PM
The minwax always feels oily to me even after I wait a full day for it to dry, hated the long wait. This bullseye stuff is completely dry in 15 minutes and leaves no oily feeling at all, two coats seems to work fine. I love the stuff right now but time will tell.
Posted 08 March 2004 - 08:18 AM
One other issue with the Bullseye...it stinks wicked, you must go outside to use it (Thats a problem for me when its 15 degrees) The minwax Im talking about is the Polycrylic and not the polyurethane (oil based). I will try sanding between coats for now. Thanks guys and I may also try the Delta Lincoya mentioned. BP
Posted 08 March 2004 - 11:21 AM
You have me a bit worried about it now Robert. I will keep using it and if for some reason it gives me problems I will let you and others know.
Posted 08 March 2004 - 10:40 PM
Was your minwax well mixed? Warm enough? Have had no problems with it feeling oily. What sort of wood did you try it on? Was there an issue with moisture/resin in the wood perhaps?
Do think a day is not long enough, more like three between coats.
Posted 09 March 2004 - 12:49 AM
You know now that you mention it the stuff probably was very cold as I was storing it in the garage. Did you say three days? The Bullseye is dry in 15 minutes! I can wait an hour or two but that's about it...too hyper to wait any longer, lol.