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Megabass 110 Knockoffs
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Posted 31 January 2011 - 03:41 PM
The issue I stated is in part of hurting us in the industry or us as the member of the country we reside..
Calling it a different name after it is repainted is still a scam..
If I buy an aftermarket and is not made in this country, I will pay the extra to NOT have one of my countrymen NOT be able to eat for a living..
My baits are MODIFIED if copied in any way of ANY original especially if I sell one....
Edited by onlyonmonday, 31 January 2011 - 03:44 PM.
Posted 31 January 2011 - 04:01 PM
You let me know where I can get some LC's for $4.00 a piece and I will stop painting and selling knockoffs otherwise I will still keep painting the knockoffs and keep outfishing a guy who paid 5x more for a regualr LC. My paint jobs are nicer than the factories and my clear coat will hold up much longer. Same with the new rapalas. Where are they made probably china like everything else because they can't make a profit on them if they are made in the USA. Going a little off subject Callaway stated on a website the other day that they do have there stuff made in China and that is the only reason they can sell a new driver for $400 dollars. They stated that if they had it made here in the USA that new driver would cost you over $1000 dollars. Well since I dont make 100K plus a year I can't afford that.
Posted 31 January 2011 - 04:54 PM
Biggun, I wouldn't call what you describe a KO. A KO is a cheap plastic bait molded to look exactly like an original high end bait and mentioning the high end bait in its advertising. IMO, it's unethical for a KO to trade on the name of the original and imply that it's just like it, at 1/4 the price. Why? Because it's never just like it. Never. The original Megabass 110 has an excellent reputation and costs $17 a Plaster of Paris. Worth it? Obviously yes to thousands of buyers. If a guy buys Megabass 110 KO's, paints and then sells them as "custom painted Megabass 110's, he oughta be horsewhipped, then jailed for fraud. If he buys 5, paints and fishes with them, at least he's only deluding himself.
Posted 31 January 2011 - 05:21 PM
I don't know where anyone can get LC's at $4 a Plaster of Paris and/or any brand name bait, I was lucky to live near a private tackle shop that had a big close out sale & I purchased as much as I could.
Posted 31 January 2011 - 06:25 PM
I use the K/O 110's a good bit but they arent the real thing Iknow this
I have boxes of jerkbaits 2 of which are megabass 110's 3 boxes of larger luckycraft jerkbaits 1 box of 78'sand bevy shad 1 box of evergreen and zenith (specialty tackle) and 2 others of norman smithwick bomber xraps spro and some knockoffs these are just jerkbaits I fish for a living and I have come to realize that there is no perfect jerkbait I was schooled by a kid at lake champlain who fished a rebel spoonbill hand painted with a brush it was guady and in no way a good paintjob it goes to show you $40000 worth of jerkbaits dont mean your gonna catch fish with it ITS THE ANGLER
Posted 31 January 2011 - 07:05 PM
I see nothing wrong with buying, painting, and reselling unpainted cranks that are knockoffs of other baits if you're up front with what they are.
On Predator Bass, Jim is very clear to say "Similar to a LC RC 2.5" or to whatever the particular bait is made to simulate. I can respect that. You know what you're buying, and you have the choice to buy it or not.
As long as you're not reverse engineering a lure, and making exact copies, I don't think it's wrong, even if you're selling them.
When I first started making jointed lures, I used photos of the Triple Trout to give me a starting point. I learned about weighting, joints, and body shape through trial and error, and that has helped me make lots of other baits that work since then.
I've sent guys on this site detailed construction drawings for making baits like mine, which I do sell, and have no problem with them making their own, and selling them under their own name. I know everyone's baits are different, and no one is going to retire on the money they make selling hand made baits, so I just figure it's all good.
I asked Bill Siemantel, who had just released the BBZ 1 8" trout, for some advice on whether I was doing anything wrong, and he said, "Hell, no. We all are copying baits that were made before."
He's been involved with the development of almost every successful west coast swimbait for the last 20+ years, so I take his word for it.
Posted 31 January 2011 - 07:08 PM
To the fishermen who buy, paint and use KO baits for their personal own use I have no problem.
But if you paint KO baits and sell them using the orignal makers name as part of your advertising then I feel in my former post you get the idea what I think. Why don't you try this for an E-bay auction, "For sale is a plastic crankbait of unknown Chinese manufacture, hand painted by(insert your name here)with the finest paints and top coats known to man". You may also list the number of national tournaments it has won and the amount of money it has earned for it's owner, something that can be verified. Then I will beleive I'm dealing with an honest man.
Guys I was raised on a dairy farm, and although I do not have a BS degree (Bovine Scatology) I do know it when I see it.
Posted 31 January 2011 - 07:39 PM
I havent ever won any major tournaments on a knockoff bait I won a local open tournament on a k/o lipless bait and a DT 10 knock off but thats the only one I havent ever painted to sell on ebay I paint for some friends who tournament fish also but to paint to sell on ebay forget about it the ebay buyers only want the best paintjobs for the cheapest price and you better include hooks or somebody is gonna cry I sold some limited edition luckycraft sample/show colord a couple years ago and several buyers wanted me to send them hooks,split rings or a free bait because they didnt get hooks with them these baits were on a display ring with no hooks on them when I got them from the LC rep at a tackle show
Posted 01 February 2011 - 01:33 AM
This just in... I hear there is a new company out of china selling knockoff condoms. Called "Press your Luck"
It may or may not break.
Its almost as effective as the real thing..but a whole lot cheaper....SAVE MONEY SAVE MONEY!!! kinda reminds me of a Gieco ad.... Sure you can save 15 percent but the fact they forget to tell you is they might lower your coverages to save you this money. You still have to get 15 to 20 bucks to make money selling knockoff lures on ebay or where ever you sell them..and even if you get 15 bucks your only making 7 bucks of profit at best. PAINT FAST MY FRIENDS... PAINT FAST!!!
Edited by The_Rookie, 01 February 2011 - 01:33 AM.
Posted 01 February 2011 - 03:17 AM
I don't know what knockoffs your buying but if I sold all of them for $15 bucks I would make a minimum of $11 dollars profit. So paint fast and make a little over $100 bucks selling 10 knockoffs. I think that's not to bad for half day of work.
Posted 01 February 2011 - 08:55 AM
Here is one of my knockoffs..It was free didnt cost me a thing...you can bid on it right now on ebay! and Support the Victory Junction Charity. People will buy original items.
Edited by The_Rookie, 01 February 2011 - 08:57 AM.
Posted 01 February 2011 - 09:17 AM
What's that called, the Tree Pounder Magnet?
As I said in the first line of my post, "I see nothing wrong with buying, painting, and reselling unpainted cranks that are knockoffs of other baits if you're up front with what they are".
Anyone who can actually duplicate the original will have to go through the same building processes, incur the same costs, and have to charge just as much as the original builders, so there would be no savings in buying the knockoffs.
Cheap copies are just that, cheap copies. They work sometimes, in some situations, but are not the same as the originals.
As long as you know going in that it's a knockoff, it's you choice.
Posted 01 February 2011 - 05:40 PM
Not tryn to pick a fight here but Is it just me or dose it seem like the only true argument to the KO's with some on here is the fact that they can be bought,painted and sold cheaper then an original. And with more people doing it, it's starting to cut into others side money?
Just because its made in china and sold by a china distributer that makes it an knock off?.
So if an american company had them made in china "like most do" and then imported it it wouldnt be?
Kinda like that mercury hangin on the back of my boat yeah the box said FON-DU-LAC WI but there built in old mex, so are they an knock off?
Posted 01 February 2011 - 06:07 PM
hehehe its a "Tater Stick!"
Posted 01 February 2011 - 06:20 PM
The original "Stick" bait what would you catch on that a stem bream may be.
Posted 01 February 2011 - 11:53 PM
I must be getting old, cause I can't paint 10 baits in a full day [from start to finish]. Perhaps if I was from Texas and could hire some cheap labor to base coat my "proto-type" [not knock-offs] cranks, I could get'r done.
PS: Tater has entirely too much time on his hands.....
Posted 02 February 2011 - 10:55 PM
I bet Matt has a lot of home grown trees , in order to build his Top of the line stick
baits , LOL
Posted 03 February 2011 - 12:29 PM
All the detailed woodwork and shadding is absolutley amazing!!! What other color schemes do they come in? BTW is that foiled?
Posted 03 February 2011 - 01:28 PM
Tater that thing is a work of art. I bet it took forever to paint that LMFAO!