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Hughes river glide baits?
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Posted 30 March 2004 - 09:39 PM
Does anyone know what kind of wood the Hughes river baits are made of. Thanks in advance. Jim
Posted 30 March 2004 - 10:36 PM
I heard from someone they were made from cedar but don't know that for certain. I have built some gliders from cedar and they swim perfectly. I am now building some of hemlock as I got tired of having to add so much lead to the wood...cedar is about like foam. Why Hemlock? Have no idea, it just "looked good", lol. I have read that many of the gliders are built of mahogany so you might try that. Do you have a pattern for the hughes? If so I would love to get a copy of it.
Posted 30 March 2004 - 11:24 PM
Hey Jed, I know what you mean about cedar, I even have to weight it for some of my topwaters...I've been using alot of poplar lately, if there's a jack of all woods, poplar is it. Lately I've built poppers, gliders, twitchers, and crankbaits with it: it holds screw-eyes well, is a good wood for detail work, casts well, responds to weighting in a predictable manner, and is available in the hobby-woods in dowel or square in the hobby-wood section of my local home-improvement store (Lowes).
Posted 30 March 2004 - 11:29 PM
I don't have a pattern yet but I will. A friend of mine is going to x-ray the bait for me so I can see where the lead is placed etc. Another excellent wood to try is Spanish cedar, it's similar to Mahogany.
Posted 31 March 2004 - 12:15 AM
I will give the Poplar a try Dean...will see if I can pick some up tomorrow. My only hope here is Home Depot so hoping they carry it.
Would be interested in hearing what you find out for the Hughes Jim.
Posted 31 March 2004 - 02:01 PM
I spoke with Stacy from Pro Tackle Musky Shop and he told me that the HR are made of Maple. I also heard that the Amma bama where made of basswood.
I would also be interested in knowing what you find out when you X-Ray the Hughes River. As for the actual pattern I get mine from E-Bay.
People selling them will often post pictures of the top and side views, just blow it up to the size you want and print. Cut them out and use them as templates.
I have 10 gliders done. Phantoms, Mantas and HR types. Should have open water here in a few days so I can take them out for a test drive soon. Keep you posted on the results.
Posted 31 March 2004 - 09:38 PM
Have you posted a picture of one of your lures Marc? I would very much like to see one.
Hey Dean I picked up several Poplar Boards today, hope to throw some sawdust later!
Posted 01 April 2004 - 03:15 PM
Finally have open water on the shores of Lake Ontario here in Kingston. Took out the gliders that I made this winter for a test drive today and I am very happy with the results. They have a nice left/right glide to them. Now I have two wait another two months for the Musky season opener!
Riverman: just picked up a digital camera. As soon as I learn how to use it and how to post pictures I'll add them here. Hopefully in a day or two.
Posted 01 April 2004 - 09:19 PM
I have been making gliders for a while and have a design that has produced 8 leagl fish (30")+ this winter/spring. I recently read a thread that made me rethink my weighting system. Routing a slot along the bottom of the bait keeps the weight down low where it belongs. The system I used since I have no router table is to use a cross-slide vice in the drill press. I can vary the depth and once the vice is set up square it is easy to do several baits. I have the shape I like (roughly like a smaller Divani) and the weight for pine, poplar, and maple so here is a picture of the orange one that the creek fish have been eating.
Posted 01 April 2004 - 11:26 PM
That's a great looking glider! Some time back Splash recommended I insert the weight the same way you are describing as he felt it eliminated the liklihood of baits wanting to "tip" to one side or the other. From my experience he is exactly right and this is the way I have been building them. I have read where some guys will drill through the side of the baits rather than the bottom and placed the lead as low as possible..haven't tried this msyelf. I have been drilling out several adjacent holes along the bottom and then smoothing the slot out with a dremel and pouring in liquid lead. I want to get away from this tho as I don't want to deal with the toxic lead fumes. What is the shape of lead you are using? Are you also pouring in the lead?
Posted 02 April 2004 - 06:56 AM
The system jerkbait mentions about cutting a slot along the bottom of the bait.This is a method I have been useing for a while now and it does enable you to get all of the weight very low on the bait which seems to increase the glide and reduce the roll on baits.
I am just starting to try the idea with some of the smaller jerkbaits that I make.
But cetainly for gliders it seems to work better than drilling vertical holes for weighting baits.
I have the luxury of having a router and it does make the job quicker.
I see Muskymarc you say you have made some manta's what wood did you use,as the originals are solid plastic,what sort of action did you get from them.I would be interested to see one of you manta's.
Posted 02 April 2004 - 07:36 AM
The last few posts you were talking about keeping the lead as close to the bottom. But, don't you want the lure to have a good wobble by keeping the lead more in the center? I've found I had more luck with lures that had a good wobble. Seems like the muskies like that sudden change of color from the white belly to the sides etc. Jim
Posted 02 April 2004 - 08:55 AM
Joe I have a 50lb spool of 5/16 round pure lead fuse wire. It came from a construction salvage company. I have been pouring weights in a mold for making inline mepp's type spinners for smaller baits.
As for wobble, I agree that it adds attraction to the baits but in current conditions it is unpredictable and a lot harder to get just right. I have some with vertical colums of lead tha do the wiggle real well and I use them in lakes but stay with the keel weighted ones in the flows. The fish in the local creeks have just been killing the orange even in clear water. I have done foil, photo print and other colors but they just seem to like the Gold fish. Maybe someone truned some paylake bait out and they saw how delicious they are!
Posted 02 April 2004 - 02:28 PM
You know you bring up a good point and I have not experimented with it enough to know how much the lead placement will effect wobble. In recent weeks I have been building gliders and wobble really isn't a big part of the action for these lures. That being said tho, I have had some problems in the past with baits wanting to sit at a slight angle with the lead being drilled straight in which doesn't make one happy after taking all the time to shape the body. I have also had baits that ran perfectly while testing with weight rubber-banded to the bottom but wouldn't do anything but roll once the lead was drilled in. You must be very careful to not change the center of gravity on the lure or it flat won't run. From my limited experience, the lower the weight is kept the less likely it is that I will have problems getting the lure to do what I want it to. If you look at the guys tho that build alot of baits like skeeter, chip, and others most of them do drill the lead in and it seems to work fine for them.
I'm curious as to how well your router is working for the slots. It seems like it would be tricky to get the slot on a bait with an uneven belly...is this true? Also, have you had the bait go flying across the room while trying this? Thx.
Posted 02 April 2004 - 02:47 PM
The router is attached to a router table and works o.k.Most of the baits I have made with this method have a rounded belly.All I do is run one side of the lure along the fence turn it round run it back through.
I have had one lure catch the cutter and end up over the other side of the room.But I alway keep hand well clear and use a scrap piece of wood to pushh the lure through.
Posted 02 April 2004 - 05:31 PM
I do have a router but only had it long enough to know it's "mean", real "mean".
For now think I will stay with the drill.
Posted 03 April 2004 - 10:41 AM
Put your slot in while the stock is still square. Trace your pattern and then cut the shape out. Another way to cut a slot is with a radial arm saw if you have one. Raise the blade, lower it onto the stock and slide the stock to get the desired length. Suppose a table saw will also work but you will be working blind.
Posted 03 April 2004 - 12:52 PM
You know I thought about that Brett but thought it might give me problems with maintaining an equal depth on the belly of the lure. I will give it a try today tho and see what happens. Thank you for the advice!
By the way, Dean was right, Poplar is a wonderful wood to work with, my favorite thus far. If any of you haven't tried it, give it a whirl, you will likely be "hooked".
Posted 03 April 2004 - 03:20 PM
Here is a picture of two mantas I made along with an origional Manta.
I made them out of Maple and added lead to match the sink rate of the origional. I also increased the size so they are more like the Hang 10 from Manta. As for the action I was pleasently surprised. I can make these guys glide just like the origional.
Posted 03 April 2004 - 05:31 PM
Here are more gliders that I build this winter. They are made of Maple, are slow sinking and have a nice gliding action.