Hughes river glide baits?
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Posted 03 April 2004 - 06:40 PM
Very nice Marc! What is the small tail on the back for? I have read before why it was there but have forgotten. Also, are the gliders in the top photo round? It's hard to tell from the pic.
Also, I'm curious as to what kind of a sink rate you set them at. I have never fished for muskies or used a "musky lure" but I set mine up to sink totally horizontal and I weight them just heavy enough to where they will sink with the lead and hooks in place. Additional weight from the epoxy is added on top of this.
Posted 03 April 2004 - 09:46 PM
The lures in the top photo are round. As for the tail I think that they act as a stabilizer. I have used other round gliders from other lure manufacturers and they were harder to work and keep under the water. If you didn't work them just right they often rolled and popped out of the water. The Mantas are much more user friendly.
As for the sink rate I do the exact same thing as you do. Horizontal and just enough lead to sink slowly.
Posted 04 April 2004 - 01:10 AM
Hey thanks for the info. It's funny what you mentioned about the mantas. You know zara spooks are round and "walk the dog" pefectly on top of the water, seems a sinking version of this same shape would do just as well sub-surface, it's odd isn't it.
Posted 04 April 2004 - 04:08 PM
There are some round gliders that work well without a tail, the origional Musky glider the Eddie bait is an example of this. However they often needed to be modified by adding lead to them to make them sink.
I think you hit the nail on the head when you mentioned "sinking version". The gliders that I referred to earlier floated at rest.
Another thing I should have mentioned earlier is that I add the lead at the head and tail of the bait as oppossed to the middle of the bait.
Posted 04 April 2004 - 07:21 PM
You know I have experimented some with where I place the lead on my gliders and all seem to work ok. Most often I put lead in near the throat of the bait and then somewhere near the tail before the bait gets too thin. It seems that so long as the bait sinks horizontally the bait will also work well.
Posted 04 April 2004 - 09:12 PM
I have an x-ray photo of the Hughes bait. Can someone post the picture for me? I don't have the program to downsize the pixels. Thanks.
Posted 04 April 2004 - 09:42 PM
Popular. You can't be serious. The guy has ripped off so many people he can't show his face at most musky sportshows. Talk to any of the top musky shops and you'll get the same answer. Theres many other quality muskie baits being made that equal and exceed the quality of his baits at half the price.
Posted 04 April 2004 - 09:56 PM
I heard the same thing about Hughes. I never even tried a Hughes bait. They were selling for $50 to $70 at the Pittsburgh musky show. I couldn't believe it.
Posted 04 April 2004 - 11:20 PM
This x-ray photo of a Hughes River Bait is courtesy of Musky1 (Jim) and I am posting it for him. Thanks Jim for providing this for us, really cool!!
Are those all weights? Also, why did they put screw eyes on the ends but not on the middle two hook hangers? Strange.
Siscoe, sounds like you are not the biggest fan of Hughes but I mentioned the baits being "popular" from how they go on Ebay. Hughes River generally go for....40, 50, bucks, it's amazing.
I have never seen one myself so I can't say....in fact have never seen a musky either altho my ex-wife did resemble one, lol.
Posted 05 April 2004 - 06:27 AM
Any shots of the original for comparison ie. same bait, but in a photo? Or do we know the model of that HR?
I would imagine those are all pieces of lead and if so, that is one heck of a lot of lead.
Posted 05 April 2004 - 07:41 AM
That would be my reaction,That is one hell of a lot of lead.
Any body have any idea what the sink rate is ofthe original baits.
Posted 05 April 2004 - 05:29 PM
That's the first thing I thought when I saw the pic, "that thing is gonna sink like a rock". Each piece of lead does not look very large but the bait must still be very heavy. Yes it would be interesting to see a pic of the bait too and also how it sinks in the water...kerplunk!
Posted 05 April 2004 - 06:09 PM
With that much lead I don't think that these baits would be made of maple as I was told and mentioned earlier. I would be more inclined to think that they would be made of cedar.
As for the popularity of the Hughes River I think that it as alot to do with their finish. They have awsome finishes and the top coat is just like glass. They probably catch more fisherman then muskies because they are so pretty. Supply and demand drove the prices up.
That being said I would never spend that kind of money for a bait. There are plenty of gliders out there that go for half the price and would be just as effective. Better yet build your own!
Posted 05 April 2004 - 10:20 PM
I agree with you Marc.....I would also guess that they are made of cedar. Speaking from experience I can tell you it takes a bunch of lead to make a cedar lure glide. I have made many of cedar and ended up creating a slot and pouring lead into it...otherwise the bottom of the bait might have ended up looking like the x-ray pic.
The HR Baits do have an amazing finish on them, I wonder what they use. I will say, however, that Devcon is very good as well and I have been very happy with it. The other day I took a lure and sank it underwater for a full 24 hours and it looks just the same as when it went under.........................................perfect.
Posted 07 April 2004 - 06:59 AM
I just made a few of the Hughes baits, still need to paint etc. I placed the original in a bucket of water. The bait seems to have a neutral to slow sink. The ones I made were through wire construction. Instead of using a 3/8" drill bit I used a 1/2" forstener bit. This eliminates drilling a bunch of holes.
Can I send you a picture of the original bait to post?
Posted 07 April 2004 - 09:20 AM
I'd be glad to post them for you, send away.
That's interesting that the HR original has a neutral buoyancy to it. If a guy had a scale and knew the weight of all the components on the lure including the epoxy you could easily come up with baits that do the same thing everytime.
Posted 08 April 2004 - 01:20 PM
Here is the Hughes River Bait that was x-rayed, photo provided by Jim.
Posted 15 April 2004 - 01:27 PM
Can someone tell me how thick the Hughes is...hard to tell from the picture. Thx.