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Catching - Fisherman Or Fish ?

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What your talking about concerning the diving lips carries right into baits like the old Mudbugs. Some fishermen won't even throw them because they don't like the metal lips. Even fishermen that like and use them are divided on whether or not the lip should be painted. And even the ones that like the unpainted metal lip there are some that think the lip should be left dull while others like it shiny. It's like the old saying goes. The only ones that know for sure are the fish and they aren't talking.

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ok heres my 2 cents fish prey on other fish,the weak one the strong one the hurt and crippled ones but thay prey on the ones that are diffirent more times then not

so if you make a bait diff. looking then the other bait the fish are feeding on (say shad)then you should have a hot bait just by making it with a diff. color or size,I have seen fish not hit a 3inch lure becouse the bait that thay were feeding on was 2 inchs long and also the other way around most fish strike a lure out of instint becouse it is swimming passed them and if thay don't it will be gone and might have been its best chance at eating anything that day so yes a bait has to be fished to catch fish so you must catch the fisherman/woman first so thay can throw the bait.......

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Herman,

Regarding your technique of reflective mylar on underside of clear bill. On a commercial plastic lure bill (cast plastic). would you have the reflective surface face down?? or up, to be seen through the bill? Thanks

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Herman,

Regarding your technique of reflective mylar on underside of clear bill. On a commercial plastic lure bill (cast plastic). would you have the reflective surface face down?? or up, to be seen through the bill? Thanks

I was wondering the same thing??

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On the holographic mylar, I affix it to the bottom side of my flat lexan lips then coat it with couple coats of clear, then install the line tie wire form on deep diving bills.

The mylar should be positioned so that the most reflective surface is pointing upward on lip, as the available sunlight will reflect off and be diffused all directions as the bait wobbles.

The mylar film I use is very thin with reflective qualities on both sides. I find most of my materials at craft stores or giftwrap areas. Any thin reflective material will do, I like to use something with extra holographic flash paterns.

On injection molded lips the underside surface is rather uneven and tougher to attach to, better to get flat lay and you want its most reflective side facing upward. I have on on several occasions affixed a strip of the mylar film to the top of the crankbait lip, removing the split ring and cutting a small slit to allow the line tie to pass through. Then affixing with spray adhesive and coating with clear exoxy to help with durability.

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On a similar subject of finishes...

Matte finishes were somewhat popular for a short time, but fizzled, again likely because they dont catch the fishermans eye like a deep glossy brilliant finish. Matte finifhes are dull, and tend to get a scuffed or dirty look easily if not taken care of. Just not great selling points to fishermen, they lack the pretty elements, but what do the fish think of them?

There are reasons that a matte finish looks more natural underwater and subdued hues . In much of the gin clear water I fish I feel that wary smallmouth will hit a matte finish crank with subdued colors at times much more readily than a stock glossy color.

Here is an interesting article to consider...

http://www.bassfan.com/bigbass_article.asp?ID=36

I especiall like matte finishes on deep diving baits in craw hues. To get the effect I spray Krylon frosted glass finish over my top coat.

Has anyone else experiment with finishes like this?

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Oh gosh who knows, I'm on the fence. I think natural baits should be good because lets face it, fish live for years eating natural prey, there are no firetiger or pink shad swimming around. But on the other hand I think you might get a reaction strike outa some bright ungly color. So I think it's both, one fish might like a natural bait right now, but when he's inactive, might cream a chartreuse bait. Bottem line it depends on the fishes mood...

Just my opinion..

Oh gosh who knows, I'm on the fence. I think natural baits should be good because lets face it, fish live for years eating natural prey, there are no firetiger or pink shad swimming around. But on the other hand I think you might get a reaction strike outa some bright ungly color. So I think it's both, one fish might like a natural bait right now, but when he's inactive, might cream a chartreuse bait. Bottem line it depends on the fishes mood...

Just my opinion..

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On a similar subject of finishes...

Matte finishes were somewhat popular for a short time, but fizzled, again likely because they dont catch the fishermans eye like a deep glossy brilliant finish. Matte finifhes are dull, and tend to get a scuffed or dirty look easily if not taken care of. Just not great selling points to fishermen, they lack the pretty elements, but what do the fish think of them?

There are reasons that a matte finish looks more natural underwater and subdued hues . In much of the gin clear water I fish I feel that wary smallmouth will hit a matte finish crank with subdued colors at times much more readily than a stock glossy color.

Here is an interesting article to consider...

http://www.bassfan.c...ticle.asp?ID=36

I especiall like matte finishes on deep diving baits in craw hues. To get the effect I spray Krylon frosted glass finish over my top coat.

Has anyone else experiment with finishes like this?

On a similar subject of finishes...

Matte finishes were somewhat popular for a short time, but fizzled, again likely because they dont catch the fishermans eye like a deep glossy brilliant finish. Matte finifhes are dull, and tend to get a scuffed or dirty look easily if not taken care of. Just not great selling points to fishermen, they lack the pretty elements, but what do the fish think of them?

There are reasons that a matte finish looks more natural underwater and subdued hues . In much of the gin clear water I fish I feel that wary smallmouth will hit a matte finish crank with subdued colors at times much more readily than a stock glossy color.

Here is an interesting article to consider...

http://www.bassfan.c...ticle.asp?ID=36

I especiall like matte finishes on deep diving baits in craw hues. To get the effect I spray Krylon frosted glass finish over my top coat.

Has anyone else experiment with finishes like this?

I remember one time while I lived in North Carolina( Bob Szymzkowskis area) you know him Herman, that David Fritts lays his baits out to fade and he also was saying that water over 8 ft deep in most of the lakes and rivers are too stained for fish to see most colors.

And in a previous post you made Herman that pros hide what they use is the truth. We had David Wright , Gerald Beck and David Fritts come to our club and talk about the stuff that they use and they all said they use their sponsers stuff and no one elses. They where on Browning and Poes, "PROSTAFF" and just a few weeks later I was fishing a tourny at High Rock Lake and Wright come pulling up beside me and we were talking and I noticed he and his partner was using Lews rod and reels and had bagleys crankbaits tied on and there were no known colors tied on their rods but they later became colors for Poes crankbaits so they don't always have what the general public sees. Just what I have seen.

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my experience with matte finishes is.. it looks just like a shinny normal clear coat bait under the water. Doesnt make a darn bit of difference. Once you put it under water its has a natural clear coat we all like to call H2O.

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Very true, in our eyes, when a matte finish bait is underwater its colors look much more clear. Infact it is because the ambient light refracts off the bait in a much more natural way, and the bass see the colors available to them with much less of a mirrored effect that you will get with a deep glossy coated bait. Many factors are dependant though on how the bass sees the bait and which colors they actually do see in given depth and water clarity. In stained or off colored waters glossy baits will have far less flash effect and may have positive triggering quailties much like chromed baits, but as with my experiences in ultra clear California waters, high gloss baits on sunny days can be overwhelming and actually alert the bass of something very un-natural at times.

Read : http://www.midwestou...fm?articleID=44

As with the article written by trophy bass hunters throwing swim baits in gin clear water (couple posts above). Besides the factor of fishermans confidence level in a given color patern of a bait, color is really the least important part of the equasion in presenting a bait correctly in a given fishes environment to coax a strike. All lures are just tools for a given job, and while you can remove a bolt with a pliers, it is much more productive to have a rachet and socket. As is so with crankbaits... If you arent throwing a bait that is covering the correct depth, with the best action to attract the fish for that given job, pretty colors will do little magic.

At an ICAST show in Vegas many moons ago I was standing near the Poes booth with a couple of my cranks in hand talking shop with several other guys when a man walks up and puts his hand on my shoulder... Tells me he has some experience with cranks... I turn around and there stands David Fritts... We proceeded to go have lunch and talk cranks, was one of those educations of a lifetime!

I have some personal insight into touring pros tools of choice and have in years past had numerous well known pros personally as customers of my baits including one you mention above. They have greatly helped with their input to shape the baits I offer today. Which brings me back to the common point here. I know my baits are not the most sexi, but they are tools for given uses, years of evolution and input have helped me to create a lure I KNOW will put fish in the boat when presented correctly in the right given environment.

There's much more to a good quality bait than a pretty paint job...

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Oh, and YES a quick shout out to a good friend who continues to help me ensure that Catching Concepts crankbaits remain relevent tools and gain exposure to NC area bass guys...

Thank you Bob Szymakowski!

All you guys in the NC area make sure to stop by Sportfisherman booth at Raliegh Sports Show Jan 5-8th and Greensboro Feb 24-26th... Say hello to Bob and check out all the products he is helping to represent!

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Im pretty old school in my style and paterns I paint on my cranks, but recently played some with photo printing on my baits...

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For my first attempt it came off better than I thought, and actually was rather easy method as outlined here in a tutorial.

Just wondering others thoughts, myself, Ive made and fished countless baits, and for me, its all about size, action and basic hue or color.

Photo finishes make for sexi looking baits, but I'm thinking its more a catch the fisherman than fish issue... Thoughts?

Great lookin' bait!

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Herman, how in the world did you ever meet Szymakowski? I've known him for 11-12 yrs now. Good guy! And he will represent our crankbaits well!

Jeff

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Great thread! I couldn't help but notice no one had mentioned the way the lure looks as it's running. If you hold the lure by the bill and wiggle it back and forth, you will see a general pattern emerge. This pattern is what the crankbait really looks like to the fish. Intricate detail is lost with movement as the colors blend together. If you can see your details while you wiggle, then it's made a difference, if not, a waste of time. Even when paused or bouncing off cover, it's still moving or floating up. (it's like trying to see the blue ink on a rawlings baseball when it's pitched, all you can see is red/white) Unless it's a suspending bait that you stop for long pauses or crank slowly, then I can see where more intricate detailing would be important. This has been my experience anyway. I hate to be off topic, but does anyone have any white G10, I'm having a rough time finding any at all. Thanks!

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basicly nobody has cracked the whole story yet or we would all use the same lure. when it comes to color difrent fish see them diferently and all are difrent to us. so an exact match on the deck of a boat is meaningless. coulors change at various depts for example you cant see red at depth without artifical light. ultraviolate is a pritty important coulor with lures but is rarly used becase the fisherman cant see it. visability changes color. refletion changes aparent color transparincy is a bit important. but even that is insignificant becase fish will only chase what it can catch as in its dying or slow ect, or anoyes them enough and provokes a responce. noise is a important to get right too

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ultra realistic lure is simply not good compared to the regular colors

have a look at rapala website nothing really look lifelike and man they catch tons of fishs

as a musky angler i really enjoy firetiger ,strawberry,black sucker,white scales,nothing that really mimic baitfish colors

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Great thread! I couldn't help but notice no one had mentioned the way the lure looks as it's running. If you hold the lure by the bill and wiggle it back and forth, you will see a general pattern emerge. This pattern is what the crankbait really looks like to the fish. Intricate detail is lost with movement as the colors blend together. If you can see your details while you wiggle, then it's made a difference, if not, a waste of time. Even when paused or bouncing off cover, it's still moving or floating up. (it's like trying to see the blue ink on a rawlings baseball when it's pitched, all you can see is red/white) Unless it's a suspending bait that you stop for long pauses or crank slowly, then I can see where more intricate detailing would be important. This has been my experience anyway. I hate to be off topic, but does anyone have any white G10, I'm having a rough time finding any at all. Thanks!

CTs - re white G10: RayburnGuy sent me a crank that had very white opaque G10 and I think he said it came from McMaster-Carr. It was whiter than the G10 lips sold by Janns, etc, which are more translucent. The problem is this: you have to call and ask G10 providers about color before you order. Most of them stock G10 for electrical board builders, rocket hobbiests, etc, and so they don't care about color. I bought white G10 from ASP Rocketry.com for years and it was the only source I could find for small sheets. I recommended the source to several builders until one told me the sheets he got from ASP were not the white stuff anymore. ASP guys use it for rocket fins and usually paint them, so they don't care.

Note to crankbait component sellers: you could do worse than buy 4x8' white G10 sheets from a manufacturer and cut them into "hobby size" 12x12" sheets for resale to hobby and small scale crankbait builders. Mark me down for some in 1/32" thickness!

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