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Posted 25 October 2011 - 06:09 PM
The wire I used was .035 stainless. Alone it is not adequate but once twisted it becomes a different beast. The main tie is 1.5mm stainless. This will handle five fish I believe. Would have liked to used something different but it is what I have. Everything used is what I always have on hand to build my hardbaits. Nothing new just put together a bit differently. The rest I will leave to your imagination.
Thanks Musky Gary for the update on TN laws. I think three swimbaits would work well. Do you know if one can still have the other two baits just no hooks?
By the time supply catches up with demand they will most likely be illegal. Especially if people see fish coming out of the water three and four at a time or the way Crazywaynee describes.
Posted 25 October 2011 - 06:56 PM
Catching that many fish at one time is no fun.
I like the fight of the fish not pulling the bottom of the lake up.
Posted 26 October 2011 - 01:00 PM
Im sorry, but this Alabama rig thing just has me in disbelief over what they are now going for...
Us bass guys have to be some of the most gullable and impulsive breed there is? I mean seriously, guys are throwing away over $100.00 for a trend rig that may be illegal next month, has at most $3.00 worth of materials in its construction, and is honestly incredibly simple...
Its magic I guess...
Posted 26 October 2011 - 01:24 PM
Pretty much useless in Indiana: "Each line may have no more than two single or multi-barbed hooks, two artificial baits or two harnesses for live bait." Regs only allow two artificial lures per pole and I guarantee DNR would consider each attached bait an individual lure probably even if the other lures didn't have hooks and were just used as attractors like the striper guys do with their umbrella rigs.
Posted 26 October 2011 - 02:24 PM
OH I agree, the american way is alive and well on this one...
But... so many guys here could easily duplicate that rig.. honestly most guys with wire and pliers could make one with a little effort.
Guess its the makers time to shine, every gets a few glimpses of fame and fortune...
Remember some of the other crazes? what was it.. a frontrunner? everyone had to have one??
Posted 26 October 2011 - 02:53 PM
lol if i was a rod building guy id have an alabama rig rod ready to go..because the next thing is going to be these guys are going to have worn out arms trying to throw it on flipping sticks...if they are willing to pay $100 for a 5 dollar rig...who knows what they would pay to throw it comfortably. by the way i claim a design patent on the idea
Posted 26 October 2011 - 03:07 PM
As far as a patent on the rod, forget it. The musky guys already have one that they use for the big plastic lures! If you read the results of the guntersville tournment the top ten finishers were all fishing the alabama rig by sunday. Paul Elias, who won the tournment with over a five pound average fished the rig all four days. One day he had his limit after making TWO casts! (Three bass on first cast, two on the second cast) One of the other top finishers stated he caught two bass on one cast, both bass were over four pounds and he couldn't use either one (to Small) Elias totals were 4 days fishing, 20 bass (five bass total per day) 102 pounds of weight! You want a chance to win a bass tournment this year? Better have a couple of these lures.
Smoke J This rig is legal in Indiana as the body on the front makes this one lure. Im sure more will come on this bait in the future.
Edited by MuskyGary, 26 October 2011 - 03:09 PM.
Posted 26 October 2011 - 05:19 PM
saw an umbrella rig at walmart today for 15 bucks... with lures! made me laugh, the packaging had dust collected on it.
Posted 26 October 2011 - 07:51 PM
On the legal side the more I read of fish and game rules and such, I think the main thing to beat is making the RIG a LURE...
It needs a main body and set number of hooks pre attached to the bait to meet most regs. one main line tie point of attachment and its a lure not a rig, not an umbrella rig, not something with extra lures hanging off of it as the TAR is now advertised as being. I think that was a mistake on their part to do such.
It cannot be advertised as being able to hang 5 lures off its legs, it has to be a single entity unit, pre rigged with its hooks attached to the main lure out of the package. I think that is how something like this can wiggle around most DFG laws?
Someone will figure out the nuances of all and come up with a original method of packaging a lure that fishes big like a school of baitfish and encorporates the same triggering qualities while keeping the overall lure package one main lure entity to meet regs... We havent seen the last of this thought in lure making, where there is money to be made the sharks are circling, and they smell blood in the waters!
Still thinking something like bait below is a viable model and would pass most DFG regs minus the snaps and with affixed hooks?
Posted 26 October 2011 - 08:09 PM
I guess that rules out the 3 treble rapalas and husky jerks that are sold in every tackle shop in Indiana. Doggone it, the 3 hook husky jerk rocked too.
I also think that since TAR had a hard body attached it was considered 1 lure, kinda like sticking a trailer on a jig or a spinnerbait. Does this mean trailer hooks are now going to be banned?
It's definitely going to cause some reg issues. As far as the ethics of the rig, tourney fisherman (including myself) hook/land fish and throw them in a livewell for sometimes 8 or more hours. I've seen several comments about the stress it puts on fish on other forums, but they all seem to forget about 2-3hr runs across places like Lake Erie and the stress that puts on fish. The only reason why I see banning this is if more angling mortality occurs as a result. Of course, winters just around the corner and people will forget about this rig for awhile.
Either way, I'm making one for myself so that I can have a more appropriate judgement of the lure.... i'm sure i'll feel real bad if I get 5 keepers on one cast
Posted 26 October 2011 - 08:38 PM
A-Mac, A great man once said "Yup, I hear they are illegal in TX... so don't you worry bassnbrad, lake fork should never have to see them!" Does Your last post mean Lake Fork's in for a whuppin? Alabama style?
Posted 27 October 2011 - 07:26 AM
This thread is intriguing, Here is another Tennessee boys version, attached to the rear of a crank bait with a heavy split ring. No snaps on this one. .035 wire twisted up on a Hagens G-Lock style hooks, no weights on anything except the belly of the crank bait. May have to add weight to middle wire to keep it from tumbling. Belly hook removed from the crank bait. Haven't tried it yet but will let you know if it works. John
Posted 27 October 2011 - 08:12 AM
It sure didn't take you guys long to figure this thing out!
Could you use three or four spinnerbait willow blades, and one central spinnerbait-type hooked lure, and be legal in CA?
Posted 27 October 2011 - 10:19 AM
That's part of the problem, though, is that the way that it is phrased is vague. It says 2 single or multi-barb hooks OR two artificial lures OR two live bait rigs. If you read it literally, it is saying you cannot have more than two hooks (single or treble) tied directly to your line, OR more than two artificial lures, not specifying how many hooks are allowed per artificial, so according to the letter of the law, the three hook rapalas are legal because they are one artificial lure. Also, a trailer hook on a spinnerbait would still be one lure, or at most two if the trailer hook has a soft plastic threaded on it (this is conjecture, I don't know how Indiana DNR interprets a trailer hook).
The AL rig issue is that even if you used attractor lures with no hooks, you would still be using more than two "artificial lures", so you would be in violation of the regulation.
Posted 27 October 2011 - 11:11 AM
Why not just Incorporate the lures in to the wires them selves. Have the hooks actually be part of the bait and not an attachment that can be swapped. Whether someone just twists 5 hooks on 5 lines or pour 5 resin baits on 5 lines or what. With the connections being terminal then with my reasoning it should be one bait and not 5 attached with swivels. One bait 5 hooks still less than most crank baits.
Posted 27 October 2011 - 11:39 AM
In Tennessee you are now allowed to use the lure with ANY SIZE hooks as long as only 3 baits actually have hooks. The other two can have the baits/blades/etc... as long as no hook is present. I go started with mine the other night. I am not good with any type of wire tying and do not even have the material. I took rebard metal ties and folded several in half and drilled out an egg weight. I used a wire leader (like a catfish or toothy fish leader) as my main line going up thru the middle with the tie in the front. Since I'm in Tennesse and can't use all 5 wires for baits, I think I am going to connect a swivel with a replaceable spinnerbait blade on the middle main line as an attractant, and hopefully to auto correct itself in the water.
I know the wire will rust the first day out, but i'll be out about a dollar and a couple minutes of my life to figure it out and see if I want to spend more time and effort in it.
BTW, i'm glad to be on the site. I've watched and learned for several months. I just got into painting lures so I know I'll learn much more on the site!
Posted 27 October 2011 - 11:49 AM
If you read what Paul Elias said on flw, he said he never caught fish on the top baits anyways. So why not take two big size 5 or size 6 willow blades on the top two and put swimbaits or whatever you want on the other three? I think that would add some flash and make the contraption useful even in slightly stained water.
Posted 27 October 2011 - 12:05 PM
I talked to a C.O. in District 4 in IN. the other day about this bait. After a decent conversation he said he would call me back after he reviewed exactly how the law was written. I explained to him the theroy of only having 2 of the baits on the back having hooks and the other 3 not having any hooks. He called me back a while later and he told me that as far as he was concerned he would not see it as a violation as long as there were only 2 hooked baits. Now, that being said, he alos told me to be sure and talk to other C.O. in the different districts to make sure how they felt about it and not just take his word for it. At that point I called the state and asked the same question, and was referred back to the local C.O. office.
I do like the ideas that everyone is coming up with as far as the use, applications, modifications of this bait. Great minds here.