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[littleriver]

Those in Tennessee, I was just reading the fishing regulations.

http://www.tn.gov/tw...s/fishguide.pdf

Page 39 bottom left. Hook size has to be smaller than a 6 to have more than one bait hooked. The build is simpler than rigging these small hooks.

[CatchingConcepts]

Fish and Game regs around the country will be under review concerning this rig...

Reading Elias article http://www.bassmaste...its-alabama-rig it says he attached 1/2 ounce jig heads to the rig, making it weigh in at over 2 ounces...

To me, the weight doesnt belong on the arms, but on the central main shaft or frame of this bait with the arms having straight wide bend flipping style hooks or ewg for weedless apps. Also makes it very self defeating to create a forebody of wood or bouyant material, requiring even more weight to get the rig down.


From my experiments the rig functions better and baits all tangle less and swim more naturally as an illusion of a school of bait with no weight hanging from the arms.

I see this bait morphing into a more compact style sort of hybrid spinnerbait looking device with a weight placement that allows it to be cast even better and be better balanced.

Edited by CatchingConcepts, 25 October 2011 - 09:21 AM.

[sambennett]

All of us shallow river anglers have been having a good chuckle. "So THIS is what we're going to be pulling out of the wood next year?" We thank all the shore anglers who donated those nice diving crankbaits last year. Repaints at a discount.

I dunno about this whole scheme... and I'm originally from Alabama. Heh. But it is nice to see a wire bait get some press.

Any of you musky guys putting together a quintuple cowgirl yet?

[Juice780]

I agree on the centralized weight by putting most of it in the body, seems like it would swim more level and have better action.

[CatchingConcepts]

Yeah its going to start the usual big next craze in the bass guys world... Everyone will think they need to try one like its a new magic fish magnet.

In reality 90 percent of the guys will plunk down their money and never really grasp its correct applications, especially with it being a very self customizable rig with user input required on what you snap on all the arms, it could get real scary what guys are flinging out there!

As I see it, the best app for this bait is suspended schooling bass that are located in open water with electronics and then back off and lob this heavy rig at them and drop it or pull it through the school.

Will the average bass fisherman looking for the next magic lure attain correct understanding of presentation to make it consistantly work?

Its a great tool obviously in the hands of those who understand its applications, just as swim baits are incredible tools when applied in correct situations. But look just how many swim baits sit in guys boxes who never fully figured out the correct applications and more importantly never took the time to master the presentation.

But it is potentially the next bass craze, so lure builders get ready... There will be a market and as I see it, lots or room for modification and improvenment on this "rig"

Edited by CatchingConcepts, 25 October 2011 - 10:01 AM.

[CatchingConcepts]

Ok, after some thinking and mods, here is my latest take on the schooling baitfish rig...




much more conventional feel to the bait, casts well, doesnt roll over, great balance, much better on the drop! Swims great and looks like a school of bait...

As well, the arm is removable for ease of storage... and fishes much lighter and easier with a conventional profile and 1 ounce weight, throws nice on a 7 foot heavy action rod with softer tip/bend...


Thoughts on this one?

Oh BTW this is the Catching Concepts baitfish school rig... PATENTS PENDING

Edited by CatchingConcepts, 25 October 2011 - 11:23 AM.

[nitro98]

Totally argree! This will be the next great thing until people get tired of getting hung or dont catch 10 fish on one cast or cast it off using inadequate gear lol. Elias is just lucky he wasnt marking a school of hybrids or stripers. Oh well im good with my solo rigging for now

[A-Mac]

haha... i just saw how many views this thread has had since the other day. Over 1500!

[elmo]

bait is illegal in tenn

littleriver, on 24 October 2011 - 01:32 PM, said:

Almost there! Ha!


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[littleriver]

Swam my lure this morning. I liked it just the way it was. Weighting will depend greatly on what you want the lure to do. I had it rigged with five worms, hooks and no weight. Sank slowly and I could see slow rolling this bait at any depth you wanted and it would stay there. Want to fish it faster up and down at a range of depths then add weight. Totally up to the user. The lure would turn just a bit then settle and swim perfectly horizontal. Having only used an umbrella once and that was years ago to catch bait for deep sea fishing, it felt a little unfair casting so many lures at once. But if I am catching fish, I will probably get over it.

[littleriver]

That depend on how it is rigged Elmo.

See my earlier post on TN fishing Regulation?

Although, if you know more please share.

Vic

Edited by littleriver, 25 October 2011 - 12:30 PM.

[Musky Glenn]

Why do you even need the front body? They can be attached very neatly with out any front body. Musky Glenn

[Juice780]

I don't think u need the front part at all I think they are using it to hide how they connect all the wire. I'm sure there's plenty of ways to do it neatly without needing the front part.

[littleriver]

Not sure myself Musky Glenn. But it does add another minnow body to the picture. Also makes people question. Questions, how did you do that? Mine, the buoyancy does seem to help orientate some by providing a bit of lift in front . Also slows the rigs action a bit. It sinks much slower for sure but really it is along for the ride

Vic

[Cmiller23]

littleriver what gauge wire did you use? Do you think its adequate? Im definitely gonna try to make one of these, I dont tournament fish to seriously since im in engineering school still and dont have the time but I do fish a little jackpot on a lake that almost all the big fish suspend lol.

Or better yet does anyone know what gauge wire is used on like a half oz spinnerbait for example?

Thanks in advance,

Cory

Edited by Cmiller23, 25 October 2011 - 02:34 PM.

[MuskyGary]

The reason for using the minnow body is to make the "one lure" concep so it conforms to the law. Many states have laws allowing multiple hooks on one lure. Take the body off and you have five lures on a combo rig! The next question I have is why use swimbaits? Why not put a willow spinner on each leg with a spinnerbait hook behind it? This lure is for lakes with shad schools in them. Fish hide out waiting for a school of shad to swim over, then they come up and blast them. Wait till this summer when the bass are schooling! I bet every state will have a new regulation on the books by next year.

[CatchingConcepts]

On wire size, .035 is average gauge spinner bait wire though .040 or so might be a bit better suited for this bait.

Agreed exactly on the reason for the body on the bait, it makes it a lure as MuskyGary stated above (laws), and it also makes it somewhat unique and able to have a direction to go if a patent was desired. As well as provides a place to hide the wire wraps and make it clean looking.

With the heavy wire and extra heavy swivel and clips I keep thinking how much it looks like some sort of culling clips system, though it put bass in the livewell and money on the table when it counted, so it has cred...

Edited by CatchingConcepts, 25 October 2011 - 03:10 PM.

[MuskyGary]

Reading on the FLW Bass site. for the coming kentucky lake tournment in Paris Tenn. all hooks have to be smaller than size 6 IF YOU FISH FIVE SWIMBAITS. If you fish bigger hooks you can only use three swimbaits. So they are checking the game laws. I hate to buy one (24.99) just to tare it apart to see how they are putting it together!

[Juice780]

Guy just told me the body is made out of hard foam

[ravenlures]

After seeing a video about the rig, I don't like it, the fish had three hooks into it from the gills to the tail and bringing it in sideways. That I don't care for. You can't say which caught the fish first, the one in the tail or the gill or the mouth.
That's all I have to say about them.