Bester Posted December 23, 2011 Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 I made some musky lures for my cousin. I shoot water based paints and clear with old Dick Nites. It seems that a fish breached the clear and the paint came off the entire lure. I dip my lures in wood hardener, put a white base coat on and go. My question is is there anything I can do to my process to keep this from happening or at least minimize this? I don't have a paint booth so going to laquer is pretty much out. Thanks for any suggestions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musky Glenn Posted December 23, 2011 Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 Exactly where did the pealing occur. Did the white stay on the lure or peal? Did the paint peal off the white or did the clear peal off the paint? Musky Glenn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted December 23, 2011 Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 Switching to PVC as a building material is a sure cure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bester Posted December 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 It peeled down to the bare wood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firechief Posted December 23, 2011 Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 Bester I am not a pro like some of the other guys here but I had a similar incident and found that I had some oil or something that caused my failure. I cleaned the wood with steel wool and DNA (extreme for sure) I also heat set all my paints now regardless of type and make. I use a hair dryer at a high temp. So far so good. It sounds like the paint did not bond and the heat treatment will solve some of those issues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobP Posted December 24, 2011 Report Share Posted December 24, 2011 Failures like that can be hard to diagnose but my guess is that some part of your finish absorbed water and pushed the finish off the bait. Perhaps the DN moisture cured urethane did not soak through the other finish coats down to the undercoat as it usually does, leaving an element of the underlying finish vulnerable to water absorption. Most of us use some kind of a "Devil's Brew" of finishes so it's impossible to predict which combinations of coatings will work until we try them. One reason a thick epoxy topcoat is popular on musky baits is that prevents teeth from ever penetrating to the underlying finish layers. If water never gets below the topcoat, the finish will never delaminate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bester Posted December 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2011 I was thinking about trying etex but I sure love that DN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodieb8 Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 Bester what wood type? which primer?. muskys and using musky baits will always be poked from hard teeth and joint wear from trolling speeds.. thees several variables that lead to paint peel. oh ya. everyone does run into this if there building musky lures. regionally also, temperaturs of water being fished also can create issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bester Posted December 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2011 (edited) Woodie- The wood is Mahagony. The primer is a thinned down rustoleum oil based. Any suggestions? Edited December 29, 2011 by Bester Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodieb8 Posted December 29, 2011 Report Share Posted December 29, 2011 Bester, do you scuff the wood hardner? seems if its peeling to wood the bonding issue is a-hardner. b- primer not bonding.. if your worried have you explored zinsser seal prime. it has no bad smell issues. . also dn clear urethanes may be soft on clear coats? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bester Posted December 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2011 No I have never tried that primer. I will look around for it. Is it oil based? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
