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#1 dlaery

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 08:01 PM

I am trying to find some guide pins like the ones they use on aluminum molds. I have only seen these in one mold and it was not from any of the mold makers that are referred to here. I didn't take any measurements of it
I have been using a 1/4" dia. x 1/2" long dowel pin and it is a little too big.
McMasterCarr has a 3/16"x3/8" dowel that I may go with. I would like to have a bullet nose pin but the ones I have found are 2-3 bucks each.
Does anyone know of something better than what I have found at McMaster Carr?
thanks,

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 09:21 PM

try msc

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 10:02 PM

David,
The only removeable ones I've seen are from Dels, I had to replace one I lost and it was expensive. I kept better tabs on them after that.

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 12:42 AM

Try this one form mcmaster carr. I have these to fix the removable ones. Not to rounded but works good. Frank
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Posted 02 February 2012 - 06:03 AM

thanks for the replies, I tried MSC, Enco, Google, and didn't find anything better than MCC (McMaster Carr). Actually MSC had some that were cheaper, but the reamer was higher, so I guess I will go with MCC.
Here is a pic with the 3/16 pin.this is a 1/16oz lead head #4 hook, 1"x1.25" mold. I may go with the 1/8 so it will be easier to put the mold together. Probably use LocTite Stud and Bearing to lock in the bottom pins. thanks for your thoughts on this.

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 10:44 PM

I use 3/4 long 1/4 diameter pins press fit. Well hammer fit. I use a D drill bit on one side and an F on the other. Then I half drill the D side with the F bit. Works great.

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 01:37 PM

View PostBob La Londe, on 03 February 2012 - 10:44 PM, said:

I use 3/4 long 1/4 diameter pins press fit. Well hammer fit. I use a D drill bit on one side and an F on the other. Then I half drill the D side with the F bit. Works great.
That's interesting. Do you have any sloop when fit together? I have been milling with a 3/16" bit to .250' and then use a reamer. I like the way the smaller pins fit the 2 halves better. With the 1/8" dia. and the 3/16" pin sticking out. Now, I have not made anything with the 1/8, I was looking at a mold that belonged to someone else. I got my pins and reamers today. I am going to try the smaller ones to see.
I like the sound of your method, but I think I want it smaller.

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 04:41 PM

View Postdlaery, on 06 February 2012 - 01:37 PM, said:

That's interesting. Do you have any sloop when fit together? I have been milling with a 3/16" bit to .250' and then use a reamer. I like the way the smaller pins fit the 2 halves better. With the 1/8" dia. and the 3/16" pin sticking out. Now, I have not made anything with the 1/8, I was looking at a mold that belonged to someone else. I got my pins and reamers today. I am going to try the smaller ones to see.
I like the sound of your method, but I think I want it smaller.

I just use drill bits on my drill press. I center spot the screw and pin locations on the mill, but because the spindle is so fast its not great for drilling.

I could pocket like you do, but its faster to drill the halves after I take them off the mill. As to slop. Yeah, a few thousandths. Not really critical with plastics. With a lead mold it might be better to get tighter tolerance if you can, but you have to remember that the aluminum will shrink and swell and distort some with heating and cooling. Its also not as predicatable now that its not uniform thickness from you making a mold out of it. If you get it to close with your tolerances you may not be able to get the molds together or apart easily.

One thing I have learned about machining is that a successful process works. Its not necessarily a perfect/exact/precise fit/cut. It works for the job intended and produces a satisfactory result.

A couple tips. Chamfer or lightly counter sink the pin holes and screw holes. This will make insertion faster and easier even with realitevelyt square end pins. Also, use a tapered or rounded (one end) pin if you can. That's why I am considering making my own pins out of precision rod in the future. I can grind a lathe bit to round and part off in one operation.