Tackleunderground Hardbait Tip Of The Day!
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Posted 02 March 2012 - 02:25 AM
Could you use a store bought lip for a template or maybe two or three glued together fot the right thickness?
How thick would you want the template?
Posted 02 March 2012 - 07:48 AM
It needs to be thick enough for the bearing to ride on and mount a handle. Should the bit grab the piece and throw it from your hand while feeding it into the blade, your fingers very quickly become the template being cut.
Posted 02 March 2012 - 09:50 AM
Just my opinion here. But I would use a wooden dowel as opposed to the drill bit! If th template gets grabbed or flung I would think the dowel would cause minimal damage as opposed to the heavier, sharper drill bit. Rob
Posted 02 March 2012 - 09:53 AM
Good topic! I've been using the router to make bibs for a while but I do it a little different than Gene. You cut the shape you want your lip to be at the end of a long(12" or so) 2" wide 3/4" thick piece of wood. Then add a thin piece of wood to the underside, minus the lip shape. This provides a shoulder for the "flat" end of the bib blank to reference and elevates it off the table slightly( this is to provide clearance for a small screw head). The bib is screwed to the underside of the template through a predrilled hole which will later be the line tie location. If you are making small bibs without a line tie in them, use a piece of the same thickness lexan as your spacer so you have zero clearance off the table. Secure with double face tape and/or drill a small countersunk hole in the bib, where it will be hidden in the lip slot, and secure it with a small screw. I like to use a round over bit for this so I can get a tapered sharp leading edge to the bib. I haven't tried Gene's method but it seems like it would be a bit "tippy" to me.
I don't have any shots of the jigs but heres a crappy picture of some of the bibs. These were actually cut from rectangles so I was removing alot of material with the router.
Posted 02 March 2012 - 11:13 AM
I took a bit of what you said and came up with this jig. Even made a bib with it. Very stable and not tippy at all. Like your use of of round over bit as well. Thanks you for sharing.
Here is some photos of my jig made from your idea.
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Something I think would make this better would be to use two key shafts or key with a different shape besides round so the the template cannot turn while cutting bib.
Posted 02 March 2012 - 11:23 AM
I have cut over 500 lips with the router setup in the video and have had very few problems it. The biggest issue that I have is, if I use a piece of Lexan that has a lot of excess material around the edges of my template, it wants to grab it more. I solve that problem by keeping the excess to a minimum. Another minor problem is, after you cut several lips, your tape starts to lose it's "sticky" and your Lexan will shift. Just replace your tape regularly and you won't have any problems. I don't find that the templates are "tippy".
As far as for your safety concerns, it is mildly unsafe. But as Vic stated, keep a minimal amount of the cutting edge of your bit exposed and you shouldn't have any problems.
Posted 02 March 2012 - 11:23 AM
My choice of the bit was more to do with what i had than what was ideal. Honestly this cheap HF bit is way more useful now than it ever was as a drill bit. Also like to say I have never had the jig get away from me but I guess it could happen. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
Posted 02 March 2012 - 11:27 AM
Hi Gene Do you have dowel handle glued into each template?
Posted 02 March 2012 - 12:04 PM
If you know any carpenters in your area check with them as they could possibly have some left overs from a job. You might also check with your local builders supply to see if they have some that is scratched or has a corner broken off. If so they might sell it to you at a reduced price.
Posted 02 March 2012 - 12:51 PM
Ben, I will keep my eyes open. Thank you!
Dan, I was wondering how do you cut the slot in back of your bib?
Posted 02 March 2012 - 03:49 PM
Hello Vic, I went back and watched Gene's video again then looked at the amount of cutting surface that you have exposed and your new handle and guard that you made for the template. I think that with a lot of caution I would feel fairly safe using it. that is a really neat set-up. I think you might also use this set-up for rounding over flat sided cranks. Thank you Gene and Vic for sharing.
Posted 02 March 2012 - 05:50 PM
You might try using a teflon cutting board for a work table.
Posted 02 March 2012 - 06:01 PM
After reading Marks suggestion about the cutting board I was reminded of something else that might work. I've seen thin plastic sheets that are placed flat onto a kitchen counter top to be used as cutting boards. (I say plastic....could have been a thin sheet of teflon) It could just be glued to your work surface. Have no idea where you could find one, but your local Dollar Stores might be a good place to start.
Posted 02 March 2012 - 06:01 PM
I don't use glue on the dowels. I just under drill and hammer the dowels into the holes. They won't budge.
Posted 02 March 2012 - 09:47 PM
That's pretty slick making the bills that way. I've been making mine on the belt sander and cussing everytime I change the radius of the bill from one side to the other and have to go back and take alittle more off and so on. I have a router table sitting in the garage gathering dust, I guess with these ideas I'll have to put it back in service.
Posted 02 March 2012 - 10:36 PM
Spend a lot of time on your template and make sure it's right. Any mistakes you make on the template will transfer to every lip you make.
Posted 03 March 2012 - 02:19 AM
I hear ya Gene. It has to be perfect to transfer a perfect bill.
Posted 03 March 2012 - 09:09 AM
Routers scare me too, but I really like this. My router table is already set-up, so if I need to make a lot of lips, I will probably go this route.
Posted 03 March 2012 - 11:22 AM
Looks good Vic! As far as the slots you see in the lips in the picture, they were an after-thought to accommodate the wire. I justed drilled a hole and then cut into it with the scroll saw. I see you are using the circuit board material. I was curious as to how well it cuts on the router? I was thinking it might be really hard on the carbide but haven't tried it yet.
Here's a drawing of how I've been making the template:
Here's a side view:
Posted 03 March 2012 - 08:15 PM
Thanks. Dan, the bit cuts the circuit board with ease. It is only 1/32 thick. I would say it is easier on the bit than the thicker lexan. Cuts much faster.
Your drawing is giving me more ideas. Thank you for sharing. I see a jig with several heads in a circle loaded with bibs. Just load the jig, cut and load again, at least six to ten. I would never need it at the rate I build lures. Will be using your idea to round off some bibs of my own in the future. Great idea!