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Dives To 50ft?
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Posted 19 May 2012 - 03:43 AM
Nah, Sonny your "right on" about line bow limiting depth. I do not think one can completely disregard this fact (unless fishing in space) and you made a good point. For what it is worth your d :censored:m smart in my book. However, with a thin, dense, low stretch, sinking line one can reduce the effects of line bow. This knowledge will effect my choice of line for cranking from now on. With 900 feet of it out and a deep diver tied on, not sure what the maximum depth one can achieve. I plan to find out this summer and who knows maybe catch a few fish along the way.
Posted 20 May 2012 - 11:38 AM
Man, I hope your rod and reel setup is strong! Pulling 900' of mono or fluoro line will feel like dragging an anchor!
And I can't begin to imagine how you'll set the hook with that much line out. It will be like pulling on a rubberband, unless you're using braid.
I have visions of you holding a tuna stick. Hahaha
I hope you get it to work, so I can copy you!!!!
Posted 20 May 2012 - 02:25 PM
That's 300 yards of line not counting what you would need left on the spool for backing. Not a lot of reels designed for bass fishing will even hold that much line. Probably have to go with something built for saltwater or inshore fishing.
Posted 20 May 2012 - 05:46 PM
Ben , There are a few hurdles that one must overcome first. Choosing line , reel and rod are on the list. Starks had a large capacity revo. Or if your like me, just use the bait caster you have that has the largest line capacity. May not hold 300 yards but over 200 yards of a small diameter line without backing is possible. Mine looks pre spawn for sure. Casting is a treacherous endeavour. Then the rod, a long cranking rod is preferred. But my 6'6" med action quantum will have to do for now. Finally the line. A quality fluorocarbon would be best. Yet, I chose to try Yo-zuri hybrid 10lb in green. Mainly because it was on sale at Ollies. 600 yard spool was 8 bucks. A very dense, sinking, low stretch and strong line.
As you can tell I am not perfectionist. Can not afford to be but have to work with what I have or can get on a budget.
Mark , the lure used will have a large influence on how hard it is to reel in just like any crank. I found the 6xd twice as hard to reel in as my homemade. This was due because of the wider action of the 6xd. My homemade with the tight action was much easier to pull. The 6xd was a bit slower to reach bottom than the homemade as well. The lures would stay on bottom with ease once there. And they stayed on bottom to the boat. Not sure yet what the max depth one can achieve. It will depend greatly on the lure and line used. Really required nothing too special. I have had harder days casting and retrieving dd 22s. Only to have them in the strike zone for a few feet vs hundreds of feet with this method. I think with shallower divers one could take them deeper as Snowman suggest and keep them there for a long ways. The trick will be discovering depths of the lures with your setup. Then use the right one for the given situation. Put it in their face and your sure to get bit.
Once bitten Mark, I believe your correct about setting the hook. Just not possible. In the videos of Starks, he is sharpening hooks and every fish he catches just falls off the hook. Not much can be done about that except quality sharp hooks. I hope I am so lucky to get bit and have that problem to overcome.
Posted 20 May 2012 - 07:59 PM
At the very least....you have a place to start. I would think that the fish that would bite at that depth are going to be big. With the bigger fish goes a bigger bite. With the right hook shape you may not need to actually set the hook.
Posted 20 May 2012 - 10:42 PM
Sonny, one would think so right? But the reality is many small fish are at these depths too. Regularly catch 12 inchers in the 30 to 40 foot of water on carolina rig and jig. But your right, they're more quality fish too. Just because they are harder to get at. At least this is often the case on Douglas.
Posted 21 May 2012 - 12:40 AM
A Revo Toro 60 holds 250 yards of 14lb test mono so I would think it would hold about 300 yards of a small diameter 10 lb test and I know from fishing flourocarbon for crappies it really sinks fast and I ade the mistake of trying it with slip bobber after sitting for a while the line from my rod to the bobber would sink to the bottom and would get hung up like crazy so maybe a high density flourocarbon would act somewhat like leadcore line and maybe the wieght of three hundred yards of lead core would sink a good sized crank bait to the bootom.
Another tip that might be helpful is to use a couple of feet of lead core line in front of your crankbait and then the flourocarbon.After a cast the bait might sink to the bottom by the time you run your line out.I seen larry dahlberg use the same setup on one of his shows for muskies.
Posted 21 May 2012 - 03:10 PM
Never used lead core line but see how this would work. I thought that stuff would be illegal by now but after a quick search they are still selling it .
Posted 24 May 2012 - 11:10 AM
Ok so I may get beat up on this.. But.. If you watch the Elite series on Douglas video.. I've got it DVRd and have watched it numerous times.. It's obviously a secret to Jeremy Starks.. And the rest of the world.. But all he says is flouro.. And he won't say what lb test as already stated.. Well to me.. It's obvious tothe world that deep running CBs are usually thrown on 10-12 lb test.. I trow 8-10.. But.. I don't know why he would b so secret if he went smaller because people are bound to try it.. So did he go bigger? On a conventional cast, I would say no.. But while he was strolling aka long lineing.. I am gonna say maybe he went bigger and here is why..
The heavier the fluorocarbon. The faster it sinks.. Test it in sink if u doubt it.. And it sinks actually pretty fast.. SO by the time he has tolled for 2-300 yds.. It would almost be on bottom.. So I think it it would strt out going deeper.. And the heavier lb test line has less buoyancy than smaller lb test.. Thus doesn't come to top faster.. ( not that either has much at all) and now the line is underwater.. It I'd under more PSI and has less resistance as to coming up so keeps CB down longer.. Just a thought.. I am going to test theory this weekend.
I drill weights In a ton of by CBs.. Put BBs in jerks and so on.. And I can get a dd22 to 20-22 with no lead added by strolling... And to 27-28 with lead in beal.. And 30+'s I have no clue.. Its 40 everybit I know.. It seems to be the trick of not starting the reel too fast or you will pull the beal up towards you.. Just let it do it'd thing untill u feel the bottom..
I may be completely wrong on the bigger line while strolling.. But I shall test it.. If you wath and pause the video.. Starks' line looks like nylon rope..
Posted 24 May 2012 - 12:17 PM
jcupp, I believe he must have been using small diameter line for a couple of reasons. First, his reel holds 250 yards of 14lb test. To get 300 yards on his reel he had to go smaller diameter. Or he is lying. Second, all the big fish he catches in the video he gets down on the deck and lips by hand. His nearest competitor is just hossing his fish in the boat. Only reason I can think of for doing this with these fish is because he is concerned about the line strength.
Bigger may work(not saying it won't) but getting 300 yards of it on a reel will require a bigger reel.