Big Rattles For Big Plugs
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Posted 18 June 2012 - 10:21 PM
I'm looking for some big rattles that I can put into the wooden tail section of a large (9"-12") wooden plug. I'm finding small glass and a few small brass rattles. It would be nice to find a larger metal rattle similar to what is in a Rapala Clackin Minnow. Does anyone have a place that carrys such an item. Thanks in advance
Posted 18 June 2012 - 11:14 PM
I do not know of any places that carry rattles like that, but it is not very hard to make your own out of brass tubing and metal BB's. If you search on the forum you can find many topics about rattles.
Posted 19 June 2012 - 02:42 AM
A trick I've used is to drill a hole in the body and insert Hilti 22 caliber shell casing with a couple of B-Bs.
Posted 19 June 2012 - 09:29 PM
I don't understand your link. I'm trying to find or build big rattles, not Patent a lure. Thanks anyway
Posted 19 June 2012 - 09:46 PM
You can monkey around with ballast AND rattle chambers by cross-drilling any size holes completly thru the lure body perpendicular to the plug. For a big plug (9-12in), a 1/2in hole with a 5/16-3/8in. ball bearing rolling around, with or without a metal or plastic tube for a liner (= more sound). The holes are counter bored just deep enough to accept metal ( .015 stainless/brass) end plates that can be covered and re-inforced with a epoxy-tissue/cloth combo or something that you have confidence in. This makes some serious noise, and gives you balance and ballast options. It flat out works.
Edited by markinorf, 19 June 2012 - 09:52 PM.
Posted 20 June 2012 - 07:42 PM
I think I'm going to use your suggestion. I'll cross drill a hole and insert a 9mm pistol case in from each side with a nice size ball bearing in the middle. I can flush up each side, paint as usuall and clearcoat. It should be very loud which is what I'm looking for. I got my new order of Basswood in last week so it's back to the shop to get a few built. With the size of the wood in each plug I don't see any balance and buoyancy problems.
Posted 20 June 2012 - 08:33 PM
Good luck with the basswood. I swore off of it after blowing up many plugs when I made my best effort to seal them. Maybe some guys here have rock solid solutions to this tendency. Use Poplar or AYC! Or better yet, PVC trimboard. Sorry about getinn off subject, but I warn guys about basswood everytime, when they mention it. Pvc is the best, and requires no sealing steps.
As far as the approach youre taking to the chamber, it sounds "bulletproof" ; )I make brass discs using a hole punch so I can use the larger chamber configurations I mentioned earlier for those big plugs. I like a 1/2in hole, 9/16 c-bore .03'' deep, with a 3/8in bb. I drill as low off the centerline as I can get away with. Sounds like a car wreck under water!
Use the basswood for fixtures and keychain lures.
Posted 20 June 2012 - 08:55 PM
The 9mm casings are HEAVY. you will be forced to use very small bearings, and mite be dissapointed with the results. The discs can be made with a punch and weigh only tenths of a gram. this way you are in a better situation to dictate hole size and bearing size. Been there..
Posted 20 June 2012 - 09:11 PM
You can make a chamber as large as you like by drilling through the bait, putting in a bead/bearing, and covering the holes with circles of aluminum cut from Plaster of Paris cans, superglued to the sides of the bait and then sanded smooth. I think this will be as close as you can get to a Rapala clackin lure. The aluminum covers put out big sonic waves. Just be careful when gluing on the covers so your bead doesn't get glued! Plaster of Paris cans are easy to cut with regular scissors. To refine the design, you can slightly recess around the hole so the edges of the covers match the side of the lure - but the aluminum sands easily and that isn't really necessary.
Personally, I LIKE basswood! Undercoat it with D2T epoxy and have never had one "blow up" on me. IMO, if water gets in a wood lure - any wood lure - it will eventually blow up. Yes, PVC trim board is an alternative if you like working with it and like its density. Not all of us do.
Edited by BobP, 20 June 2012 - 09:17 PM.
Posted 20 June 2012 - 10:53 PM
When I've finished with all of the woodwork I dip my plugs in Top Secret Coating 1 part epoxy. It penetrates and seals well. Then onto paint, topcoat and hardware. This method produces a very tough plug. I went through the learning curve with this process and have zero problems anymore even with heavy double digit stripers beating these things up. For that reason the rattle chamber needs to be tough also. The topcoat I use has proven to be very tough and may add enough strength to thin material on the rattle chamber. I think I'll build a plug, weight the rear section, drill the hole and weigh it again to determine what the wood loss from the hole contribute to offset my rattle weight additions. The bearing will be the majority of the weight. I just ordered 1/4" bearings and should know their weight in a few days.
Posted 20 June 2012 - 11:12 PM
If weight is an issue for you, you can use a section of plastic drinking straw as a race for the rattle balls.
BobP's idea to use aluminum can cutouts to seal the ends works really well. I use an old one hole punch, one with long handles for leverage, to cut my aluminum discs out of aluminum cans.
Posted 21 June 2012 - 11:37 AM
The straw idea sounds good. It would make for a very slick raceway. It's just a matter of finding the right size straw and drilling the hole accordingly. I only need to wait, as usual, for the ball bearings to get here.
Edited by quickdraw, 21 June 2012 - 11:37 AM.
Posted 23 June 2012 - 07:19 PM
For a 9-12 inch lure, I can't see any size rattle being to big for those lures. I have an eleven inch lure with one ounce of lead that floats. I also have a ten inch glide bait with 5.5 ounces of lead that barely sinks. How about a big rattle front and back? Musky Glenn
Posted 23 June 2012 - 10:55 PM
These swimbaits are fairly stable in the front section of the plug but the rear section has a swimming movement. I have several different styles where one type has an random action but the other 3 have great movement. I also am not concerned at all about the weight but may need to pay attention to the balance. These are all made to float and depending on the design some run the surface while others may dive as much as 10 feet when trolling or being retrieved, depending on the speed. I've checked out different types of worm rattles but they are too whimpy. My 1/4" ball bearings will be here the first part of next week and I'll get a prototype built. Then it's time to make some noise.
Posted 26 June 2012 - 11:37 PM
I got the 1/4" ball bearings a few days back and did all of the woodwork yesterday. I drilled a 5/16 hole through the rear section on the plug just behind where the rear eye screw is located. I countersunk the hole with a 1/2" drill to recess the metal plate but after doing so I realized that the metal from the soda can is so thin that there wasn't a need because the primer, paint and clearcoat will more than smooth out the edge of the metal. I corrected that step. I then cut a standard straw to run through the raceway so the ball rolls very smoothly from side to side. Now with all of the woodwork completed I dipped the wood in Top Secret Coating 1 part epoxy to seal everything and I'll let it cure for 2 days before assembling the hardware and beginning paint. The amount of weight in removing the wood with the accompanying air chamber in the raceway will more than offset the weight of the ball. I will attach the metal plates with a thin coat of 5 min epoxy and the final clearcoat will make everything permanent and water tight. The only thing covering the metal plates will be paint and clearcoat so I hope that doesn't dampen the sound too much. The rattle function will be invisible until the plug is shook.
Edited by quickdraw, 26 June 2012 - 11:38 PM.
Posted 27 June 2012 - 02:36 AM
Sorry , ....don't know any place of purchase either , but I make mine like this :
Please click on "YouTube" title above start picture to view video straight on "YouTube" so you could read further explanations in there .
Cheers , diemai
Edited by diemai, 27 June 2012 - 02:40 AM.
Posted 27 June 2012 - 08:34 PM
That looks like a very nice rattle and being a plumber I certainly have some experience working with copper pipe. I just finished assymbling my first 2 prototypes and waiting for the epoxy to set.