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The Envirotex Challenge
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Posted 21 May 2004 - 12:29 PM
I think BlackJack brings up a very important subject that all of us should be considering and that is UV damage, particularly if you are selling your baits as I am. What are you finishing with now BlackJack? I know I have beaten this subject before but I don't want to see my baits do what he saw the Enviro did after just three years!! Some have said here that after a couple years they expect to throw the bait away anyway, I disagree. A bait if properly made and cared for should last decades.
I am conducting my own experiment at this time with Devcon...as I write this it is sitting on the dash of my pickup in direct sunlight, half of the bait I covered with tape. I intend to leave the bait there for two or three weeks, if nothing has changed I will continue to leave the bait there until some noticable damage has been done. I also intend to conduct a test on the durability of devcon, still trying to decide how best to do this.
Chip......16 hours on the dryer!!! Yikes! I run my Devcon finish for 20 minutes and stop the machine, 30 minutes max. So does the Enviro have a UV protector in it?
Posted 21 May 2004 - 12:57 PM
Devcon is already yellow when it dries... Envirotex will not yellow... If you are finishing foil baits where the finish must be perfectly clear to get the most out of your foil job... there is no comparison.... Devcon cures quick and if I were to paint all of my bait or baits I might consider using it. For clarity....ETEX is the only answer.
Posted 21 May 2004 - 01:12 PM
I keep mentioning a silane/resin based forumula..... As soon as we lock down the mixture, I'll let yall in on it.... Maybe even an additive to mix with the ETEX!
There may be a patent in it for me and a phD buddy of mine... there are possible other applications than baits.....
Posted 21 May 2004 - 03:02 PM
I use Etex for walleye jigs.( well plus other baits)
Been using it since 1985.
Bright flo. colors, some in my box are 15 years old and there is no yellowing to them.
Did some spinner baits with devcon and they were yellowing in less than a year.
I have never had any bait I sold or keep 4 myself go yellow when done with Etex.
Was it an oil based paint you used in the first place.
Posted 21 May 2004 - 04:39 PM
Queston for you Enviro guys. Some of the Spinnerbaits I have made have the Vinal paint on the heads. Do you know if I can put the Enviro over the vinal or will it react?
Another question. I build rods so I have both Flex Coat Lite (guide wraps) and flex coat rod building epoxy (Cork and seats). Can I use either of these products for clear coating or is the Enviro recomended.
Posted 21 May 2004 - 05:54 PM
It was BlackJack that mentioned having the problems with yellowing...I only made reference to this. Your experiences with the Enviro are most impressive however I must admit. Thank you.
Ah, Devcon may yellow over time, this remains to be seen, but please don't tell me the stuff isn't clear to begin with.....two coats of Devcon on this bait and I have a 100 others that look equally as good.
Devcon has been used on this site and tacklemaking for several years at least. I would be interested in hearing from guys that coated their baits 3,4, 5 years ago, how do they look now?
Posted 21 May 2004 - 08:43 PM
If Devcon is going on yellow then you are doing it wrong..... period.
Posted 21 May 2004 - 08:53 PM
Both clears will cover the vinal just fine.
( my vote Etex)
Just woried if you thin to much before using.
Might bleed the colors some.
But a straight 50/50 mix will work, provided the the vinal is fully cured.
But you could just get away with a vinal clear, but they are not that high of a gloss finish that you will get from the epoxy.
Posted 22 May 2004 - 08:42 AM
I've been using the ETex for years with only one small problem. But first, I cannot get Devcon where I live so I bought a whack of ETex. As for any other product...well I already had a pile of ETex.
I make muskie baits as many might know. THe one problem I had was with a single bait de-laminating. Having said that, this bait has caught many muskies and is usually speed trolled at 5 mph+ ...something that's not normally an issue for bass and walleye guys. Although we have caught some HUGE walleye with our muskie baits...
Oh yah, no problems with ETex yellowing.
Posted 22 May 2004 - 12:18 PM
All this talk about Devcon turning yellow...so where is an example, where's the beef? Seems there has been an equal amount of problems mentioned here with the Enviro. If the Devcon turns yellow then there must be an example as it has been used for literally years and years by tackle-builders. I looked at some floats I made about a year ago with Devcon the other night and they are as clear today as they were the day I completed them....lets see some pics.
Posted 22 May 2004 - 06:53 PM
It plainly says on the Etex instructions,
not for outdoor use. Now exactly what this
means, I don't know. It could mean
that it will yellow. Or maybe it means
what it says. But, dosen't say why.
Posted 22 May 2004 - 06:58 PM
Has anyone tried nu-lustre 55. I just ordered some the other day to try out. Jim
Posted 22 May 2004 - 09:37 PM
Jim.....splash is a big fan of the nu-lustre 55, you could write him and see what he has to say about it. He claims it is by far the best thing out there but I haven't tried it as of yet. I tried to find a link for you to his web-site but can't seem to find it right now.
Volp...from the description the EX-74 does look good, might be worth a try....wonder if they have a trial size.
Posted 23 May 2004 - 07:05 PM
looking though multitudes of past creations, I found lures dated as early as 1992 that were coated with Etex and still had great NON yellowed lustre. I have used many products over the years and what I have found most important is what you use for a primer and base coat under the top coat. Epoxy based coatings yellow and get non desired effects when you use petro based paints or solvents under especially if they are not allowed to totally catalize before top coat (usually more than just "dry to touch"). also have found that certain plastics dont cover well with epoxy, especially ones that may be "hot" or contain unusual mixtures of solvents, or halves are glued together with acetone or solvent.
I believe this is why the traps that Chip used for the test were a poor test subject. Also feel it would be a poor decision to rub with solvents between coatings, light fine grit sanding would be better idea... (JMO)
Use of infra red lamp between any coatings of paint helps dry all solvents before next coating is applied. trapping non catalized paints or hot solvents under epoxy coatings will always lead to undesired effects in the future, no matter what favorite brand of epoxy coating you use.
Posted 23 May 2004 - 08:42 PM
Jed, the widshield may block the UV rays and may not give you a true evaluation.
Posted 23 May 2004 - 08:46 PM
That is good point Husky, one that I hadn't thought about. I don't think just laying the bait out on the pavement is a fair evaluation tho as few guys are probably going to leave the bait outside forever. Any suggestions?
Posted 23 May 2004 - 09:03 PM
As to the concern of Devcon yellowing with age, could this possibly result from adding to much catalyst/hardner? I haven't had the opportunity to use devcon epoxy and don't know if there is a thermal reaction associated with the curing, if so, it could explain the varied results that have been expressed here. I have seen fiberglass that would darken from adding to much catalyst to the resin, and once too the point the mixture self-ignited.
Posted 23 May 2004 - 09:46 PM
I have tossed a bunch.
But I still have some, but not Dig. Camera.
So I will try and scan a few examples in.
For all to see.