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Scatter Shad Lip By Rapala
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Posted 27 May 2013 - 08:50 PM
Apparently.... I spent the better part of three hours on the net trying to source somebody....ANYBODY!!! who sold these lips in the US.... I have tried (and failed miserably) to compound bend lexan. I tried to make one of Pete's (hazmail) devices for doing it a d cannot seem to get the feel for when the lexan is starting to soften and when it is actually already melted.... I also tried the spoon trick.... No luck....
Fortunately, one of the local big box sporting good stores in my area had some scatter raps in stock so I bought a few in assorted sizes to try out... They work great but the retrieve speed is somewhat tricky... Too slow, no hunt... Too fast and they flop around in a sort of spirally fashion, almost like they are line fouled... That being said, I really like 'em so far.
Posted 28 May 2013 - 12:08 PM
You could use a strong clear cast resin and make your own. Make several shapes and sizes you want to try (since material doesn't matter) and make several within the same mold. This way, you only have to make 1 test mold to cover all the sizes. Once you figure out which lips work best on your lure, you can pour a handful of the lips you like and make a better mold.
Posted 28 May 2013 - 12:26 PM
That's a great idea! I am a big fan of the ACC which is a clear cast resin.... I'll give it a try and see if it works out.
Posted 28 May 2013 - 06:38 PM
I've cold bent 3/16'' lexan with this tool for a Grandma lip. Don't go beyond 90 degrees otherwise it's going to crack. My polycarbonate supplier told me you can cold bend thinner sheets in half without having them break. I haven't tried it to confirm.
You can get this tool at Leevalley.com
Do a search for metal bender.
Hope this helps.
Posted 28 May 2013 - 07:27 PM
That's a neat device and it appears that it would yield crisp bends in lexan. My problem is that I'm trying to do compound curves....a much trickier proposition....at least for me it has been....
Posted 28 May 2013 - 09:39 PM
I just did it for this larger musky crank lip. The female die is 7/8'' wide and 5/8'' deep. I used a broomstick instead of the male die. It worked better when I used the heat gun.
You may be able to replicate if it falls within these dimensions. Or you could just supersize the lip a bit.
This was done real fast just to see if it would work.
Sorry about the watermark.
Posted 17 August 2013 - 09:46 AM
I happened to find one of these a couple days ago snagged in a log! I tried it for a bit and was not at all impressed with its performance. I had to reel it super slow just to look like a normal crankbait. Regular speed it just blew out constantly. It did seem to work well as a jerkbait when it was twitched. The lip actually has a ridge on it, but the ridge is on the underside of the lip, so I don't see how that would effect the action. As far as the curve goes it is curved both from side to side, and front to back if that makes any sense!
Posted 17 August 2013 - 10:21 AM
Me just thinking , that if it was snagged up , the tow eye might also be out of tune ???
greetz , diemai
Posted 17 August 2013 - 11:38 AM
I like many of the lures in the Rapala line. Got a couple of the scatter shads recently and frankly, I don't think I'll ever fish them. It's hard to retrieve them without spiraling and that is not "hunting" - which should and can work at any retrieve speed.
Posted 17 August 2013 - 11:40 PM
Hello everyone, Thanks Bob and Nedyard for sharing your experiences. I will save my money. It's performance might explain why this bait was left hanging. A good bait a man will risk life and limb for in cold deep dark water. This thing can't dive more than a few feet deep and we're in the heat of August. Sounds like the rod tip wasn't even risked. With that said, I would like to make a curved lip bait. I know there are some good ones being made out there by TU members.
Edited by littleriver, 17 August 2013 - 11:45 PM.
Posted 18 August 2013 - 09:21 AM
It was in about 2" of water on the edge. The line tie looks good to me, I think the lure just isn't very well designed. It hunts if a jerk the rod tip, but a lot of lures hunt if I do that!
Posted 18 August 2013 - 09:39 AM
Sounds like it really was designed to hunt for fishermen! Hahaha
I know I bought one of each, four in total, and was so unimpressed by the first one I haven't even opened the last three.
It only semi-hunts at one speed, and getting that speed right is tricky at best. Maintaining that speed throughout a retrieve, particularly on a long cast, requires a lot of faith that you've got it right at the start. When you finally wind it back to where you can see it, and find out it's doing 360's, is really frustrating.
I may play around with the bill, and drill a hole in the center near the bait, to relieve some of the water pressure, particularly at higher speeds. Since the baits are just sitting now it can't be any worse than it already is. Finding a good, sharp bit is the key, so I don't crack the bill.
In the past I've use bits with a steep angled cutting edge for plastics that were designed just for that.
But Rapala bills have always been really fragile.
I think I'll use a new brad point bit, in a drill press, since the cut the outline before they remove the material from the middle, almost like a hole saw.
Posted 18 August 2013 - 10:22 AM
I'm kinda sad to hear about these issues on Rapala lures , as I've always found them to be reliable , working and catching very well throughout my previous angling years .
Should they finally have fallen victim to commerce as well , in particular the more recent models ?
Last year I've purchased some three or four MaxRaps , on one of these the weight shifting system does not function properly , takes a lot of shaking underneath the rodtip , before the BB's slide back into the tail for another cast , it's a nuisance to me .
greetz , diemai
Posted 18 August 2013 - 11:13 AM
I regularly fish Rapalas and the Scatter Shads were a disappointment to me. It may be that the scatter lip was originally designed for one of the scatter series that I did not try and it might work great on that model and not on the Scatter Shad - who knows? I got the scatter shad because it was the only one of the series with enough weight to cast with a baitcast reel.
Posted 18 August 2013 - 01:09 PM
One of the things that sticks out in my memory after visiting the rapala site was seeing all the different models with the new bill. Looked like they put it on every model crank they make. After making a few, one of the things learned was few things work everytime on every bait. Infact often finding just the right mix for each model is the hardest part. Bob may be right. This may work well on the bait it was origanlly designed for but notheir entire line. Also thinking Mark is right, its many models designed to catch fishermen not fish. Dieter is right too on commerce driven. Corporations are the way business is conducted today. Management beholden too investors and board of directors not customers. Companies nowdays are run by accountants not engineers. Often startups creators once bought out are replaced with these type managers. They care little for company rep or customers but focus mostly on making money and little else. They get to fatten their pockets at everyone elses expense including their own employees. It is the world in which we live in today. I can see the problem clearly but a solution eludes me.
Posted 18 August 2013 - 02:34 PM
Well, you can't run an successful company without marketing products. If your products are lousy, market demand will fix the problem by reducing your sales until you fix the product or go out of business. IMO, Rapala puts out some of the best wood baits on the planet in a time when wood baits are becoming rare from large manufacturers. Look over the offerings from all manufacturers and count how many balsa or other wood baits are offered. Not many! You usually have to go to "boutique shops" to find them. There are rational reasons for this, including quality control and volume production reasons. But I personally think the best wood lures are better than the best plastic lures. So to me, Rapala deserves kudos for working in wood baits and I'm not quite ready to ascribe "shady commercial motives" to my dislike of the Scatter Shad. I'll continue trying future Rapalas and will keep buying some favorites from them as long as they make them. But I won't be buying more Scatter Shads and I'll wait for kudos to appear among the user community before taking a chance on any of the other Scatter baits.
Posted 18 August 2013 - 08:15 PM
My first crankbait was an original floater black back with foil sides. I caught a good many bass on that bait right on thru to my early twenties. I still remember when I last saw it. It was ripped from me by a behemoth tarpon while bank fishing mangro trees along the edge of the intercoastal waterway in Florida. This inland hillbilly had never seen fish that big or strong. I thought I was prepared for anything with my 50 pound spider wire but soon discovered I was wrong. I can still see it like a sport fishing photo with my little lure hanging on the outside the mouth of this giant fish as it leaped from the water and violently thrashed its head snapping my line instantly and then it was gone. A testament to the strength and attraction of this little plug.
i too like rapalas. I put them on a pedestal for many years and would buy no other. I liked everything about the baits, the build, the packaging and the story behind their origins. The colors and varieties seemed endless. I wanted them all. But could only afford one or two a month. I would spend much time plotting and groping over which ones to buy next. Often changing my mind, right up to the last possible second. Shad raps, original floaters and the rattle trap are some of my own favorites. The blue back rattle trap is a real go to bait here in the fall on the rivers when the fish are on the minnows. I would fish them till the paint was worn completely away from the front of the bait as it skipped along the rocky river bottoms. I still have a large collection these and several still new in boxes. I would order them by the dozen as funds got better with higher paying jobs. But like all things this too passed . Wife kids; priorities change like seasons. Now I would have a hard time finding a those boxed beauties as they are most likely buried somewhere unknown in the basement. Still their memory is fresh with me.
I wanted to share this link.
I am certain loyal fans like myself and millions just like me buying Rapala quality lures has gotten the company to where it is today. They are not the quant little lure manufacturer of my imagination. They are a multinational corporation with quarterly net sales worldwide of 81.4 million Euros or 108.555 million us dollars. Multiply that by 4 and one gets 434.222 million annually. Little wonder a mistake is made from time to time.